Dave Haynie on MOS (cross posted from ANN) -old post referenced

[DanDude]

Sooo, this can be true... stolen code inside MorphOS!!

Oooo, Amiga Inc. would love to go after them again...

 :-o

[bhoggett]

@Jose

Not really interesting, no. This is just a two year old quote about a 7 year old rumour that Mike Bouma dregded up in what looks like the start of another FUD offensive on behalf of Amiga Inc.

Two things to bear in mind:

(a) the person responsible for Amiga source code reaching all sorts of people was Petro, who was an Amiga employee at that time.  It is unclear under what conditions he revealed or gave away the source code under, what permissions he gave to the recipients by doing so, and if he had the authority to do what he did in the first place.

(b) there is no evidence the code Dave Haynie is referring to was ever a part of MorphOS in any way.

All this really means is that Dave made a personal comment about his feelings regarding Ralph & Co, in a forum in which the audience is heavily prejudiced against Ralph & Co in the first place.  There is no real evidence that Ralph knowingly did anything wrong at all.

[downix]

Something I keep wondering about is timeline.  Petro supposedly gave out the code round '97-'98 era, under Gateway.  Dave's referring to a '95-'96 era source code, under Escom.  The timelines don't synch up and something is rotten in the realm of denmark.

[bhoggett]

@downix

That's a fair comment, but does anybody really know what Petro did and when? It's not like he produced any documentation recording what he did.

[Billsey]

If the sources were possessed illegally, then it does throw into question the legality of the whole MOS project. The problem is proving it.

[DanDude]

Start tracing, investigators.  I ---really--- want to know what's going on behind that MorphOS project!

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Um, maybe I missed something, but when did this happen?

> Dave Haynie d.haynie@... http://www.merlancia.com
> Chief Technology Officer, Merlancia Industries

How did DH get hooked up with them? :-o

[dammy]

by Cass on 2003/8/18 13:04:55

First of all these are all hypotheses. But the point you're trying to make doesn't have any sense : several months before, WB3 code would be useless to everybody, so this isn't a valid statement. The whole argument was based on a "old can of worms" several years before

What doesn't make any sense is for Genesi to steal code that is outdated.  What so "we got to have it" code is there that would work on a modern system?  Bouma took swipes at MOS for AROS code, then he does this sad can of worms since the AROS linking didn't generate out outrage.    So if they took from AROS, why would they bother with WB3 then?

I really can't see Genesi (well, Ralph's) motivation to steal code for MOS when that code is dated and ment for a custom hardware.  

Dammy

[Billsey]

That message is from when I was still on the TeamAmiga Mailing List. For a while I kept a log of a month or so of messages from that mailing list, at about that time, on my A1200. I don't know if it found it's way onto a backup CD-ROM or not. I could try digging it out if anyone is interested.

[downix]

@Mike

That was from a bit ago.  Back when RYan got the MCC rights from AInc, he hired Dave to design a PPC motherboard for Merlancia.  That fell apart after Ryan neglected to pay him.

[dammy]

by Oldsmobile_Mike on 2003/8/18 13:35:18

How did DH get hooked up with them?

IIRC, alot of promises from Ryan and his mother plus a $10K initial paycheck.  That's before it was wildly known about those two.

Dammy

[JoannaK]

Bilsey: yes.. and there has been No attempt on proving it at all. Just
this old heresay message recycled year after year.

So instead of sorting things out for good, they keep spreadign these
rumours and let followers do the dirty work. And year after year same
loyal followers obey and keep on posting and posting..

There is no AmigaOS source code in MorphOS.  

I am simply amazed -- though I shouldn't be -- that you would go to such moronic lengths to bring up a 2001 posting by Dave (a person whose opinion most of us highly respect), when at that time, Dave might not have had any idea what is, or is not in MorphOS since MorphOS was not available.  

That time period was also very ripe with accusation FROM AMIGA INC SUPPORTERS trying to spread FUD about this exact subject.  Why not simply ASK his opinion now?

[DaveC]

FYI:

1. This info is really old.  I mean really old.

2. Dave Haynie, at the time, was using information provided to him by his insider friends at Amiga Inc.  That information that was provided to him was faulty, but he didn't know it at the time.  (Amiga Inc. was still pretending to be a real company then)

[Jose]

@Billsey
Sure, I'd like to see it.

[Dietmar]

>  I ---really--- want to know what's going on behind that MorphOS project!

That's the easiest part, buy one and try one.