I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[Crumb]

@lechuck

moana is useless without usb/Network/audio/mac partition support. Download here a fix for your problem: http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html

[lechuck]

@Crumb
 
Thanks for the tip.I have installed Morphos already.I just want to see AOS
4.0 run in the Mini.I know about the lack of usb/lan/audio.
 
Anyone else?

[pVC]

Well.. I can't help much, but my results are that on my 1.42GHz/32M/4.8.9f1 mini I get corrupted gfx too, but it works with my 1.5GHz/64M/4.9.4f1. I haven't bothered to play around more, just with couple of straight boots from the same CD.

[skurk]

Well.. I can't help much, but my results are that on my 1.42GHz/32M/4.8.9f1 mini I get corrupted gfx too, but it works with my 1.5GHz/64M/4.9.4f1. I haven't bothered to play around more, just with couple of straight boots from the same CD.

Wait, AOS4+Moana works on your Mac?

I wonder what ties Moana to that exact OF version.

[pVC]

Wait, AOS4+Moana works on your Mac?

Yes.

I wonder what ties Moana to that exact OF version.

No idea. Or if it really is because of the OF version. I originally thought it would still be the vmem amount, but as versions were brought up here....

[Crumb]

@skurk

Radeon initialization may be slightly different. Anyway, the problem with Moana is not the gfx card, it's just everything else! nobody is going to write drivers for it so IMHO it's just an interesting preview of what could have been

[Amiga_Nut]

@skurk

Radeon initialization may be slightly different. Anyway, the problem with Moana is not the gfx card, it's just everything else! nobody is going to write drivers for it so IMHO it's just an interesting preview of what could have been

Sad but true.

And Hyperion not doing OS4 for MacMini shows they don't deserve any claim to Amiga IP either. As clueless as Amiga Inc.

It's a no brainer.....MacMini is dirt cheap and plentiful still today. And if OS4 was released for MacMini PPC the prices would rocket and every broken/stained/dead MacMini in the world would be on ebay within 24 hours of the OS launch date being announced LOL

[cv643d]

The explanation I got was that Hyperion is building up the market, by porting to new motherboards, someone can make the mobo (Acube), someone can sell it (AmigaKit) and someone needs an OS to (Hyperion), so they all make money and a new Amiga market is built.

But to be totally honest, a port to Mac Mini makes the most sense, no?! Just think about the userbase and all kind of awesome programs that could be programmed by the new userbase?

[gdanko]

If you have a Mac Mini and want Amiga, use MorphOS. MorphOS works natively and outperforms OS4. As far as I know, MorphOS can run OS4 apps as well. Hyperion seems a bit flaky to me and I would rather use something I know supports my hardware.

[skurk]

If you have a Mac Mini and want Amiga, use MorphOS. MorphOS works natively and outperforms OS4. As far as I know, MorphOS can run OS4 apps as well. Hyperion seems a bit flaky to me and I would rather use something I know supports my hardware.

...but MorphOS isn't AmigaOS.  I'm not flaming or anything, I'm just saying that when I want a beer, I don't drink a piña colada.

Anyone know if it possible to dump the 4.9.4f1 OF to file?

[ferrellsl]

I agree skurk.  And there are some OS4 apps that just won't run on MorphOS.  MorhOS is great and I have a copy on my PegII.  It's quite a bit faster than OS4 and visually is more appealing, but I have to keep OS4 around just to run some of my apps.  And the OS4Emu for MorphOS works with a very small list of programs, but not all of them.

[kolla]

And if you buy OS4, that copy is not limited to run on just that one minimac. Which version of OS4 (sam440/peg1/A1) is the one booting on powermacs btw, any of them perhaps? Maybe even OS4.0 for classic?

[Amiga_Nut]

The problem is Hyperion's attitude is wrong, slow 5 year old CPU tech in 700 quid motherboards is not what any of us here want either.

There is a perfectly acceptable 3.2Ghz triple core PPC motherboard with 512mb of RAM and ATI x1900 GPU sold every minute worldwide for £125 retail. It's called the Xbox 360 motherboard. There is no reason why Hyperion can't set out a standard motherboard powered by said Xenon triple core PPC processor and something like an ATI x1750 GPU and 512mb of shared RAM for a low price. Farm out the production to China. Bingo.

Amiga needs a single specification, a kick-ass specification with astonishing value for money too. If they insist on PPC CPU for OS4 then your answer is right there. Sure it won't be £125 but it will be superior to X1000 and cost a lot less, possibly cheap enough to warrant casual purchase territory.

No point making an OS for hardware that is either too slow/obsolete or overpriced and new that only 7 people will want to buy. Ends in bankruptcy that kind of business model.

[zurt]

No point making an OS for hardware that is either too slow/obsolete or overpriced and new that only 7 people will want to buy. Ends in bankruptcy that kind of business model.

+1. Outstanding ovation.

Kind regards.

[Crumb]

The explanation I got was that Hyperion is building up the market, by porting to new motherboards, someone can make the mobo (Acube), someone can sell it (AmigaKit) and someone needs an OS to (Hyperion), so they all make money and a new Amiga market is built.

The(ir) problem is that we don't need these OS4 dongles (read os4 outdated-slow-expensive hardware slower) because hardware that is both faster and cheaper exists. They should care about increasing the small userbase instead of trying to sell us things we don't need.

Supporting Mac Mini was possible butthey decided to milk users to sell us something we don't need.

I can understand some people prefer to buy new hardware but then a release for Mac Mini won't cause any harm if people is really interested in this expensive&slow new hardware.

Others may claim that if existing hardware is cheaper users won't buy slower new hardware. The solution is releasing better hardware (at least better than the hardware sold FIVE years ago) instead of forcing users to buy an outdated machine.

Sam440/440EP and others are another attempt to sell us some technology from 5 years ago at prices higher than 5 years ago... and we don't want/need that hardware! we want/need te OS!

Anybody could notice the excitement when Moana was discovered... they would have sold more units of OS4 and those who think sam440 is great could have bought a sam440 still.

It seems Ben Hermans thinks milking users is fine. Hyperion was a small software company and it's software what they should produce and sell us, not hardware.

But to be totally honest, a port to Mac Mini makes the most sense, no?! Just think about the userbase and all kind of awesome programs that could be programmed by the new userbase?

They could have released OS4 for Mac Mini G4, Latest powerbooks/ibooks g4 and G5 machines but instead it seems Ben Hermans and company are more interested in making cash flow to their pockets than in increasing the userbase.

Ben Hermans is destroying AmigaOS milking the small userbase.

Instead of fixing problems caused by hardware like a1/sam440 they should have ported it to x86-64 machines or at least Apple PPC hardware.

[kolla]

They could have released OS4 for Mac Mini G4, Latest powerbooks/ibooks g4 and G5 machines but instead it seems Ben Hermans and company are more interested in making cash flow to their pockets than in increasing the userbase.

And most likely the plan about cash flow will fail too, and they will end up with less than what they had at the start of this nutty project.