I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[BooBoo1200]

Piru wrote:
@BooBoo1200

No, it does not.

If the "problem" is like described in that message, then the problem is in the "custom non-osX-OS" radeon driver, not the firmware.

 Apple has a strange relationship in wich they pay to unlock features of the underclocked Radeon in the MacMini - Moana may not have patches for the lower probably more locked Radeon Rom Revision . OSX patches these holes

In this case update the driver or update the Rom Revision probably no need for both - Better drivers would be better but this is an unofficial project.

[Piru]

@BooBoo1200

Apple has a strange relationship in wich they pay to unlock features of the underclocked Radeon in the MacMini - Moana may not have patches for the lower probably more locked Radeon Rom Revision . OSX patches these holes

Uh they do what? That makes no sense at all. I repeat, I don't see any workaround or patches in the linux radeon driver. The performance is identical to Mac OS X.

RV280 isn't exactly rocket science either.

[BooBoo1200]

Sorry mate I think were talking about different things my point is even OSX is patched and Linux is patched theres no reason for Linux not to work as good as OSX.Sorry talking about different things.

[Piru]

@BooBoo1200

my point is even OSX is patched and Linux is patched theres no reason for Linux not to work as good as OSX.

And I ask again, where is the patch in Linux or *BSD?

[BooBoo1200]

Im lost - the patch is the software driver to make OSX work across the board on all MacMini Rom Revison - Mac could make a version of OSX that only worked with one Rom Revision but whats the point of that? Or Linux that only works on one Rom Revision?

[Piru]

@BooBoo1200

I am asking where in the Linux, *BSD or X source tree the supposed patch is located at. I don't see it.

Frankly, I believe there is no such thing, but rather just proper chipset initialization, which for some reason is lacking in the OS that has problems.

Which is more probable:

A) There's some secret apple patch that fixes the problem for every other OS but the said OS. Magically the patch is invisible in at least two of the OSes.

or

B) That said other OS is just buggy and doesn't do proper chipset initialization (the gfxcard chipset or any other related HW resource).

?

[BooBoo1200]

There is no specific patch the driver the one driver is writen to be compatible with all versions of the Firmware of the same card for the one card - but you could through bad programing or lack of testing or even on pupose you could write a driver that only works with one version of the graphics cards firmware.

[Colani1200]

BooBoo1200 wrote:
through bad programing or lack of testing or even on pupose you could write a driver that only works with one version of the graphics cards firmware.

Which is B. So you seem you agree with Piru.  :-P

[A1260]

i have yet again read two new sides of NOTHING, serious its about time you guys wake up, this aos4.0 on mac-mini is not going to happen, period.  :roll:

[BooBoo1200]

Colani1200 wrote:

BooBoo1200 wrote:
through bad programing or lack of testing or even on pupose you could write a driver that only works with one version of the graphics cards firmware.

Which is B. So you seem you agree with Piru.  :-P

 ;-)

[Piru]

Ah right. So there is no "patch", just proper chipset initialization.

Regardless, since there are no flashupdates available the only solution is to fix the driver.

[BooBoo1200]

Well that would be probably be the correct term:-D

and thanks I looking for answears but with all ball {bleep} aside  would you considser it possible to flash the Rom Revision even or even chip the Mac? Or the way you see it is only a updated driver?  

[Piru]

would you considser it possible to flash the Rom Revision even or even chip the Mac?

I don't see a way.

By "chipping" you mean to physically swap some flash memory on the board? Or remove the flash, program it and put it back? That might work, assuming you could do it without damaging the HW. Would still be pain in the backside though, as the Mac Mini HW is really really tiny.

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/macmini/macmini_board.jpg
See the chip on the left bottom (AM29L...). That's type 1 TSOP40 packaging, 40 pins total, 0.5mm pitch. There's just a 0.3mm gap between the pins. Ouch.

But without network and audio drivers, with flaky USB, instability and so on, would you really bother?

[BooBoo1200]

Come this far I just want an OS to get by teeth into.
best wait and see if  more people can report there ATI Radeon -ROm Revision!

[kickstart]

Please lest be serious, radeon fw on the mac mini is not the reason if moana work or dont work, i have a mac mini and i like to install in it os4 but we only have hype like information about it, i like morphos too in the mac mini but at elast we have more information about this and no hype.

Lest talk about the choices to install the moana files that we have actually without fantasies.

Please, hope that nobody take this ofensive.

[Hans_]

AFAIK the OS4 Radeon driver doesn't even use the ROM. If there are any issues due to different versions, then this means that the driver needs a little more work.

Hans