I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[billt]

For all of the guys complaining about Amiga Inc. We're lucky we even have Amiga Forever.

It isn't illegal for Amiga Inc NOT to license the technology. Amiga fans may not like it, it may not a good thing, but this sort of thing happens all the time.

Indeed, and they really should be somewhat choosy to make sure we get some wuality results from anyone they do allow a license to. But... It is more than a little annoying that Amiga Inc. made such a big deal about telling everyone they were going to license new hardware, they set up that technologylicensing@amiga.com email (or whatever it was exactly) which was intended to receive and discuss any and all licensing inquiries, and then immediately and completely ingore everyone who tried to do what Amiga Inc. asked of us. Bill McEwen in some 20 questions interview thing said he sent out questionairres to any and all who inquired this way. I don't believe him at all about that. I contacted that email address a number of times, I even stopped using yam on my A4000 and started emailing on my PC/thunderbird in case my A4000T was eating emails somehow. (unlikely as I got a lot of email on it) I never received any response of any kind whatsoever from Amiga Inc.

So while it's not illegal to refuse licensing, you're right, I do think that McEwen and friends were just jerking us around. And that does irritate me, and I will feel free to complain about that.

[jj]

"Sir you fight like a cow"

[Hans_]

JJ wrote:
"Sir you fight like a cow"

And how, pray tell, does a cow fight? Got a youtube clip to go with that?  :lol:

Hans

[jj]

It was in refrence to bloodlines comment.  I could list a good few more.

I am sure someone will spot the game refrence sooner rather than later :lol:

[Daedalus]

JJ wrote:
"Sir you fight like a cow"

How appropriate, you fight like a dairy farmer!

Ah, the memories... At least, I think that was it anyway :-)

[bloodmoney]

A cow fights like this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2395131226735897988

[YttriumOx]

Hi all,
  I'd just like to throw in my experiences with this.  I actually don't frequent the Amiga forums so much these days, so only found out about this "Moana" thing earlier this evening quite by accident while looking for info on a project I'm considering (porting Mono to AmigaOS).

  I have a Mac Mini, and an AmigaOS4 Final for AmigaOne CD (legitimately - not some pirated thing!).
  My Mac Mini is NOT the "right spec", it's a 1.42 G4 with 32MB VRAM instead of the "required" 64MB.  Also, the Open Firmware version is 4.8.9f1 instead of the "required" 4.9.4f1.
  I don't use the Mini for anything anymore, since I really only need one Mac (most of my systems are Linux) and it was just sitting gathering dust.  I'm quite willing to do ANYTHING to the old thing.

  Reasonable start - I ALMOST have the right hardware, and I've got the software.

  I tried the Moana ISO on it's own - didn't seem to get too far.  Found a post on another forum mentioning the "setenv" that's required (doh!) and then got further (as in, got to see the 6 options for booting).
  I actually tried all 6 options from the boot menu (documented each of them as I went, just in case).  Got some pretty things with the P96 selections (kills Open Firmware, loads EXECSG, but then just repeats some error in graphics.library over and over in a pretty blue almost-topazish sort of font).
  At that point, I stumbled across the thread here and read everyone's posts.  A lot of smart people here it seems! (especially Leo24)
  I re-built a new ISO by combining my OS4 CD with the Moana files.  Same results (I was crazy enough to retry all 6 tests as well)
  I re-built yet another ISO (thankfully I have a LARGE pile of blank CDs) with the "safe" version of ATIRadeon.chip instead of the original (thanks for noticing it Jeff!).  Booting this one, I went straight for option 5 (no point trying the others at this stage I decided).  And finally, I was rewarded with the Boing Ball and disk going in to the drive.

  At this point (about 15 minutes ago) I was happy.  I had something resembling an Amiga system sitting there.  I wanted to see the early startup menu, but embarrassingly, couldn't find a suitable mouse (my Mini had an old one-button Mac mouse attached and my other mouses are bluetooth with the USB dongles LONG ago lost (integrated bluetooth in most of my hardware)).

  So, tomorrow, I will grab a mouse from work, and the adventures will continue!

[Jeff]

[EDIT] Post retracted due to legal concerns

[klx300r]

@ YttriumOx

wow..great work :-D  please do keep us up to date as I cant wait to try this on my mini too :pint:

[amigadave]

Great work and info Jeff.

I do not have a PPC Mac Mini (mine is Intel), but I do have
a dead G4 PowerBook laptop that I would resurect if AOS4.x,
or MOS2.x were to be ported to it.

You ask why would anyone want AOS4.x instead of MacOS10.x
on their Mac hardware, and I would answer this: (in no order)

1. Just to see if it can be done.

2. Because of that lightning fast response AmigaOS4.x provides.

3. Because this is just a first step toward network drivers
and many other improvements that will follow later.

4. The obvious reason is that there is no current hardware
available for AmigaOS4.x and there are still many people
that want to develop for it and to use it for their everyday
computing needs, even if it never catches up with other OSes.

5. There are thousands of PPC Macs out there that will soon
be available for next to nothing and it will be a great source
of faster hardware for that lightning fast AOS4.x (or MOS2.x).

[ck007]

Looks like someone has released a combined Moana and OS4 torrent on thepiratebay.org

Do a search for "Amiga Moana"

[_ThEcRoW]

What is the "safe" atiradeon.chip file?

[BooBoo1200]

Hi - its on the mona disc in kickstarts. Its a shame but I think the combined version on PirateBay is the standard and not the safe.And its quite tricky creating a combined ISO.
@_ThEcRoW can you let me know if you get anywhere.

*I would ask anyone intrested to support Hyperion Entertainment.

[billt]

You ask why would anyone want AOS4.x instead of MacOS10.x
on their Mac hardware, and I would answer this: (in no order)

I want a laptop for OS4.x. Apple's PPC iBooks and Powerbooks are the most sensible way to get that.

[_ThEcRoW]

So the file on the pirate bay one isn't the safe one?. Is the one on the moana files?
Thanks!!!

[gaula92]

If you look for Amiga Moana on Piratebay, you'll see both the Moana files and the combine OS 4 for Mac Mini. They are SO close each other!
We're ALMOST here! (My mac mini, as MOST of them, is a 4.8.9f1, pre-silent update, so we need the safe atiradeon.chip file).

Keep up the good work! How can I help, guys?