I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[gaula92]

Ehm...A-pex and I were talking about Bill Mc, actually: he's not a person, he's a...ehmm... horse; that's it, a horse!
Wishing a "painfull death" to a horse is not THAT bad. I lost A LOT of money because of that horse, and so did A-pex. We posted it on an Amiga forum because we...ehm...well, there's an explanation for that, too, but I can't it remember well. It won't happen again! (horses don't read A.org,, and some horses don't read at all, so...)

[huronking]

a-pex wrote:

I still think that AInc. is some kind of mafia company, or something other illegal, burning the money of investors or something else. I do not understand that you can do such things in a country like the USA... If Amiga Inc. would be in Germany, we already would do everything to close this company (Visiting them, making picture, calling tax authorities, calling newspapers...).

You mean things like Thielert has done in Germany?

I love the German people, and lived there for nearly three years... but lets not make this a national pissing match, OK?
This has nothing to do with the soil it's located on. Besides, real Amiga fraud requires the Bahamas...  :-D

[theformula]

@ gaula92  

 :roflmao:

We could turn him into glue and the brand could be called Bill McGluing

[Zorro]

_ThEcRoW wrote:
Is the 64 mb of vram really a requirement?

Isn't the 1,5 ghz silent update of macmini only with 64mb vram ?

If not, anyone has infos on this question ?

 :-?

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:

a-pex wrote:
Without AmigaInc and without Bill McEwen we would have:

- AOS4 on Sam404
- AOS4 on MacMini PPC
- AOS4 maybe on some other hardware

and for classic guys the boing bag 3 and a 100% working kickstart 3.9 in hardware (everything avaible, but can not be sold or offered to the community, like Moana).

I'm not interested in speculating about what could have been. I'd rather move on than get so worked up about things which didn't happen that I start wishing people were dead :roll:

--
moto

I have to agree, though I think I'm less charitable than Moto... I just don't see the point in wasting my time thinking about Amiga Inc. and McEwan etc...

I moved to the idea of an OpenSource AmigaOS almost exactly 10 years ago... By the time all these criminals had moved onto the scene I was already gone... We have our Next-Gen AmigaOS operating systems... Just select the one that suits your needs* and use it...

*needs:
Got an A1? - Use AOS4.
Got an EFIKA - USE MOS.
Got A PPC in your Amiga... take your pick from the above...

Got anything else... Use AROS.

Nothing we can do now... or probably anyone ever could have done would have changed (except perhaps the move to QNX/Linux a la MacOS X style) the situation the Amiga is in now.

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:
It doesn't work. QEmu doesn't emulate the proprietary chipset which OS4 checks for, so it won't boot.

Edit - Of course this isn't an issue for Moana... but AFAIK Moana requires OF, which QEmu doesn't support.

--
moto

The question would be then, Why wouldn't Moana boot in PearPC?

[Animagic]

In Amigathering IX in Rhodes (28th June) we managed to "boot" the kickstart of OS4 in a Mac Mini.
We even got the bott options by holding down the mousebuttons during boot.
But.
Since the Kickstart was loaded, macmini stopped any support for keyboard, mouse, cd etc. We didn't manage to go any further with it.
Oh, well, it was kinda cool to see the amiga kickstart running on a macmini natively  :-D

P.S. there is also a video of this try, will be online on www.amigahellas.gr soon

[motorollin]

bloodline wrote:
The question would be then, Why wouldn't Moana boot in PearPC?

Does PearPC support OpenFirmware?

--
moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:

bloodline wrote:
The question would be then, Why wouldn't Moana boot in PearPC?

Does PearPC support OpenFirmware?

--
moto

 

Touché

http://pearpc.net/viewtopic.php?p=47770&sid=8b6d16cf1365ecef0c3ad4789a7e26a8

[motorollin]

I wasn't being sarcastic, I actually didn't know whether it supports OF or not :-)

--
moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:
I wasn't being sarcastic, I actually didn't know whether it supports OF or not :-)

--
moto

Well fought sir.. you're just boasting now!!! ;-)

[motorollin]

I already had my counter-argument ready in case it did support OF, so I knew I was safe either way ;-)

--
moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:
I already had my counter-argument ready in case it did support OF, so I knew I was safe either way ;-)

--
moto

I am rubber you are glue...

[Jeff]

[EDIT] Post retracted due to legal concerns

[Crom00]

For all of the guys complaining about Amiga Inc. We're lucky we even have Amiga Forever.

It isn't illegal for Amiga Inc NOT to license the technology. Amiga fans may not like it, it may not a good thing, but this sort of thing happens all the time.

 Some companies will purchase a particular license category, ip or product design just to keep a competitor out of the marketplace.

I've also seen cases where ip is purchased and sat on until the owners feel it's the right time to release new product due to advancements in technology or new markets.

[billt]

For all of the guys complaining about Amiga Inc. We're lucky we even have Amiga Forever.

It isn't illegal for Amiga Inc NOT to license the technology. Amiga fans may not like it, it may not a good thing, but this sort of thing happens all the time.

Indeed, and they really should be somewhat choosy to make sure we get some wuality results from anyone they do allow a license to. But... It is more than a little annoying that Amiga Inc. made such a big deal about telling everyone they were going to license new hardware, they set up that technologylicensing@amiga.com email (or whatever it was exactly) which was intended to receive and discuss any and all licensing inquiries, and then immediately and completely ingore everyone who tried to do what Amiga Inc. asked of us. Bill McEwen in some 20 questions interview thing said he sent out questionairres to any and all who inquired this way. I don't believe him at all about that. I contacted that email address a number of times, I even stopped using yam on my A4000 and started emailing on my PC/thunderbird in case my A4000T was eating emails somehow. (unlikely as I got a lot of email on it) I never received any response of any kind whatsoever from Amiga Inc.

So while it's not illegal to refuse licensing, you're right, I do think that McEwen and friends were just jerking us around. And that does irritate me, and I will feel free to complain about that.