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Internet web browser....
« on: June 19, 2008, 05:01:19 AM »
Hi all,

Is there an internet web browser for Amiga that is up to date and works in most environments and most websites?

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 05:36:28 AM »
For classic Amiga's you could try IBrowse.

The main problem with Amiga browsers seem to be a lack of support for CSS and Flash.
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 06:01:55 AM »
True.  Some of us use iBrowse extensively anyway (like right now).

Aweb is worth a look, too.  Isn't it open source now?

Voyager was the 3rd option, but I think it is no longer in development.
 

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 06:19:05 AM »
If you've got a quick Amiga and you don't mind beta software, you could try OWB.
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 06:58:30 AM »
Aweb and Ibrowse are definately lacking.. I will try that beta out and see how it does.. Would love to get a nice current browser for Amiga since I hate using a PC.

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 07:32:30 AM »
For OWB to be useful you 'll need at least a PPC equipped Amiga with OS4 - and even with a configuration like this sometimes is sloooooooooow. IMHO OWB is meant to be used with AmigaOne...

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 07:45:22 AM »
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Is there an internet web browser for Amiga that is up to date and works in most environments and most websites?

Not a chance. All Amiga web browsers are severely lacking in features and are, in combination with a classic Amiga, a sure way to utter frustration. You can access some older websites, but anything more up to date (like: using CSS) is completely unusable.

The web is useless, even on the most expanded of Amigas. I prefer an extended visit to a dentist... FTP, mail, chat, and Usenet work pretty ok on the Miggy, though.

Browsing on the Amiga is nice to have done just to be able to say it can be done. Once. Not more.

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 08:22:25 AM »
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The web is useless, even on the most expanded of Amigas.


Thats not entirely true. I quite happily use IBrowse to visit amiga.org, amigaworld.net, amigans.net, pouet.net, groups.yahoo.com, a couple of bugzilla databases, news.bbc.co.uk, etc. etc.

Also, OWB works reasonably well on my A4000/CSPPC/OS4, but its obviously better on my AmigaOne. I sometimes use OWB to visit thedailywtf.com, facebook.com and other websites that are unusable without CSS.
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 09:27:13 AM »
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The web is useless, even on the most expanded of Amigas.

Thats not entirely true. I quite happily use IBrowse to visit amiga.org, amigaworld.net, amigans.net, pouet.net, groups.yahoo.com, a couple of bugzilla databases, news.bbc.co.uk, etc. etc.

Sorry, but surfing the web with an Amiga is complete torture. I have a Pentium 133(!) with 64 MB, running Windows NT4 and IE6. This combination is lightyears ahead of any Amiga when it comes to surfing the web. And I don't even _like_ IE6!

The Amiga can do many things very well, but surfing the web isn't one of them. Even if the few Amiga browsers we have are able to display a site more or less correctly, it remains hideously slow (on highly expanded classic Amigas, that is).

Ofcourse, I do surf the web with my Amiga every now and then, but more out of nostalgia than for anything else. :-)
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 09:32:24 AM »
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Sorry, but surfing the web with an Amiga is complete torture. I have a Pentium 133(!) with 64 MB, running Windows NT4 and IE6. This combination is lightyears ahead of any Amiga when it comes to surfing the web. And I don't even _like_ IE6!


Like i said, that depends. I use my Amiga to browse the web all the time, because a lot of the sites i happen to visit work great in IBrowse, and even some that don't work fine in OWB.

I'm not saying its as good as it is on the PC, but to say its totally useless, or torture, isn't necessarily true.

BTW, what system were you trying to browse the web on? 020/AGA?
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 10:25:59 AM »
Like everyone I am normally forced to use a PC for internet work.  However I have a laptop that is configured solely with AmiKit and works like an Amiga laptop from bootup on.  Thus would like to get better Internet capabilities.  

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 10:39:58 AM »
For MorphOS there's Sputnik, which performs not too shabby. It's even able to annoy you with slow moving dynamic html ads where you always have to carefully spot for the close gadget...
Of course Opera is still lightyears ahead, but Marcik did a great job with Sputnik so far and he hasn't abandoned yet, so there's more to expect. There's also a bounty for Sputnik on OS4, about a port to AROS or 68k I don't know the plans.

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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 12:41:58 PM »
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I'm not saying its as good as it is on the PC, but to say its totally useless, or torture, isn't necessarily true.

BTW, what system were you trying to browse the web on? 020/AGA?

I have an A1200 with Blizzard 1260, 64 MB fastram and an 18 GB SCSI harddrive, an A2000 with a Blizzard 2040/40, 64 MB fastram, 9 GB SCSI harddrive and a Cybervision 64/3D, and finally an A3000 with A3640/33, 16 MB fastram, 18 GB SCSI harddrive and a Cybervision 64. All of them have a range of extra (but in this case not relevant) hardware. The big boxes use a XSurf card, the A1200 uses a 3Com PCMCIA-card.

Not entirely the fastest Amigas you can find, but no slouches either and most likely better equiped than the average classic Amiga here on Amiga.org...

If I compare one of my (much beloved) Miggies to even a very old pc (the P133 I mentioned, is still in use every now and then) running something ancient like Win 95 or NT4, I hate to admit the pc gives a far better webbrowsing experience.

As my A1200, 2000 and 3000 in their current configuration are at least comparable to something like a late 486 or an early (<100 MHz) Pentium preformancewise, with a much lighter OS requiring less resources, I would expect nothing less than being able to surf the web in a way more or less comparable to an old pc running an old Windows version. And that's not possible. Not even close. Both IBrowse and Aweb are absolutely nót on par with even an old and not to great browser like, say, IE 5, 5.5 or 6.

Pages load extremely slow and very often do not display anywhere near correctly. I don't expect any of my (classic!) Amigas to be able to display Youtube-movies or any of that stuff, I just want them to be able to display ordinary (CSS-)sites in an acceptable way.

That's not to say I don't appreciate the effort of the programmers of both AWeb and IBrowse! I find it highly admirable people are still working to improve those programs and I sincerely hope they will be able to come up with a version of their respective programs which both support more up-to-date webstandards and will be able to display the average website in an acceptable amount of time on any of mu nicely upgraded classic Amigas.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you on the quality of browsing the web on the Amiga. Imo, it's absolute torture. Unfortunately, it is (again imo) the one area the Amiga is severely lacking. Games, video, music, dtp, databases, wordprocessing, programming, mail, chat, ftp: it all works great. But browsing the web? Nah...
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 01:22:53 PM »
Well, here is what browsing the web is like on my Amigas:

Browsing the web on the amiga

Sorry for the quality, i filmed it on my phone.

I would put the original 150Mb file online, but i don't want to pay for the bandwidth, so if someone else wants to host the original .mp4 file, let me know.
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Re: Internet web browser....
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 01:28:15 PM »

Sorry, but I can't agree with you on the quality of browsing the web on the Amiga. Imo, it's absolute torture.



It depends on your system - use a graphics card and it is not torture by any means. My system is a fast as my 1.5ghz laptop on basic pages.

But, CSS & Flash support is lacking, as is JAVA. Javascript pages ARE slow.

However, for the few sites I browse, IB2.4 is more than adequate.
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