Amiga's place in the modern computing world - 00s

[persia]

There is a distinct advantage to the Amiga not being a primary computer anymore.  You are free to tinker.  I don't do a lot of tweaking with my Mac Pro, I'll be up s**t creek without a paddle if I can't use it for a day or two, with the Amiga fixing something that you've really bollocks-up is part of the fun.

B00tDisk wrote:
Lack of choices in OS?

I've got a PC here that will run:

Linux
Windows of any vintage
Unix
MacOS
BeOS
AROS
OS/2
...

Hmm. so, we've got UNIX; Windows; UNIX; UNIX; an operating system you can't get, afaik - certainly I'd love to dl beos, but my googling has been fruitless; AROS (I'll come back to this); and DOS.

UNIX: UNIX is UNIX, I really don't care whether your GUI is unique or different - the services the OS provides are consistently antiquated.

Windows: Enough said.

BeOS: Haiku is a work in progress, from what I understand. Certainly looks like it _will be_ nice, though. But it's not a real option at this point.

AROS: The website for AROS indicates that native operation is still in testing. Running it on Linux is running Linux as the OS, whatever may have control of the screen. This pretty much means that I can't use AROS on a system that I intend to do paid work on.

I just can't take the chance that there will be a software error that forces me to spend hours installing and configuring software. I'd use it for my media center, but I have AC97 audio, not a Creative 10k based soundcard, and my system doesn't have a usable open PCI slot.

DOS: Honestly, OS/2? Does it even have drivers for modern hardware, much less support for multi-core processors? AFAIK, it does not. I don't think I could even get OS/2 drivers for my video card!

So, adding up the viable operating systems, there's UNIX, and Windows. That's two choices, neither of which I'm happy with. UNIX is a multiuser server operating system, always was, always will be. You can rig it to run as a desktop operating system, but that's like buying a Mack truck and commuting in it.

[persia]

It's interesting that Haiku and AROS are sort of in the same state, I remember Haiku was working on porting webkit at the same time as AROS and a lot of the issues were similar.  I don't know if Haiku had better results than AROS or not...

[uncharted]

bloodline wrote:


His younger brother, with a low paid job... a wife and two kids, living on a council estate... struggling to make ends meet, and surviving on benefits :-D

I have to disagree.  I'd argue that AROS is a Chav.  

Never worked a day in his life, will never make anything of himself.  Brought into the world with much potential, but ultimately f**ked up by his parents.  Thinks he's gods gift to everyone, and barks on about every insignificant non-achievement.  Tries to make up for the fact that he's driving a sh**ty Vauxhall Nova by tarting it up with a cheap plastic body kit - but it still doesn't go.  

He has a girlfriend, but only because she can't do any better - her last boyfriend is now a dumpster diving old man. ;-)  He treats her like s**t, never listening to her or trying to fulfil her needs, he knows she has no alternative.  

Question him and his lack of progress in the world, or suggest that he could do better and you'll only get abuse, especially from his parents.  If they'd spent more time raising him right rather than slagging off other people (in particular the old man's younger brother) he might have been a winner.

Man, this computer-person analogy stuff if fun :-)

[smerf]

Hi,

@ bloodline,

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I honestly don't care... the it's an irrelevant issue... I can do stuff in realtime on my MacBook Pro that I can only dream of on my Amiga... so what the F**K does it matter?
==============================================================

Can you install a new video card in your macbook pro or how about a new sound card after 5 years of use. Or is it just another one of these new modern day convenience's that you throw away when apple decides to upgrade to new super macbook?

smerf

apple rotten to the core, reactivate vista the best OS in the world

[bloodline]

uncharted wrote:

bloodline wrote:


His younger brother, with a low paid job... a wife and two kids, living on a council estate... struggling to make ends meet, and surviving on benefits :-D

I have to disagree.  I'd argue that AROS is a Chav.  

Never worked a day in his life, will never make anything of himself.  Brought into the world with much potential, but ultimately f**ked up by his parents.  Thinks he's gods gift to everyone, and barks on about every insignificant non-achievement.  Tries to make up for the fact that he's driving a sh**ty Vauxhall Nova by tarting it up with a cheap plastic body kit - but it still doesn't go.  

He has a girlfriend, but only because she can't do any better - her last boyfriend is now a dumpster diving old man. ;-)  He treats her like s**t, never listening to her or trying to fulfil her needs, he knows she has no alternative.  

Question him and his lack of progress in the world, or suggest that he could do better and you'll only get abuse, especially from his parents.  If they'd spent more time raising him right rather than slagging off other people (in particular the old man's younger brother) he might have been a winner.

Man, this computer-person analogy stuff if fun :-)

I don't think this chav complains so much, but all else is pretty good :-)

[persia]

The Amiga - it's

[uncharted]

smerf wrote:
Hi,

@ bloodline,

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I honestly don't care... the it's an irrelevant issue... I can do stuff in realtime on my MacBook Pro that I can only dream of on my Amiga... so what the F**K does it matter?
==============================================================

Can you install a new video card in your macbook pro or how about a new sound card after 5 years of use. Or is it just another one of these new modern day convenience's that you throw away when apple decides to upgrade to new super macbook?

Yes, I often update the video card and sound card in my PC laptop - oh wait.
 :roll:

[rare_j]

alexh wrote:

Prototype to the PSOne.
PSOne Psygnosis PsyQ Devkit.
SuperNintendo Hardware reference manuals (including SFX)
Sega Saturn Devkit.
Abandoned 3DFX based Dreamcast
StarFox II cartridge (and source code ;-))
Atari Jaguar Devkit (Alpine board + CD debug toilet)
Beta CD-Rs of Creature Shock for the Atari Jaguar
Amiga A3000
Atari StarWars upright arcade machine
Atari Badlands arcade machine
Numerous laptops who's only fault is a broken screen.
Any Sun workstation you care to mention
Silicon Graphics Indy 2

Except for the Jag CD's, I have to concede once again that alexh has all the best toys.  :boohoo:

[uncharted]

persia wrote:
The Amiga - it's

Hmmmn, Burberry A1200 case mod anyone?

[bloodline]

uncharted wrote:

persia wrote:
The Amiga - it's

Hmmmn, Burberry A1200 case mod anyone?

:lol: that's a trick missed by A Inc.  My god! A Burberry Amiga would have sold by the billion!!!! :-D

[Speelgoedmannetje]

persia wrote:
It's interesting that Haiku and AROS are sort of in the same state, I remember Haiku was working on porting webkit at the same time as AROS and a lot of the issues were similar.  I don't know if Haiku had better results than AROS or not...

It's a pity these people don't join up, to make a completely new OS, for todays rather complex wishes. For instance, multi-hierarchical, multi-relational files, programs and services set up in a coherent way, like a database. These kinds of things. There are many of these techniques to make clean and transparent system, towards the user and towards the developer.
Towards the user I'd say a drag 'n drop installation of programs, for instance.
POSIX and Amiga are both still much nicer than Windows, and Microsoft knows it, otherwise they wouldn't come up with Vista. But I'd say, it's time for POSIX2/Amiga2. And let it be made for one single modern computer configuration, and don't be bothered by writing countless of drivers.

[taunusand]

Raffaele wrote:
How pityful and pathetic are those people saying my ACTUAL PC/Macintosh could do more than I ever made with my Amiga...

Piss off!

It is obvious that actual hardware surpasses many times a 20 years old hardware, and actual software is handy and useful, and recent OSs are full of EYE-CANDY graphical GUIs...

But it is still true that ONLY THE AMIGA it is the only 20 years old hardware+software system capable (with decent Accelerator, graphic card, and Audio Card [Maybe PCI-BUS based]) to be still productive to write documents, browse internet and get mail and FTP (without be harassed from viruses), and to listen music, and good enough for painting and image retouching too...

Give Amiga enough Horse-Powered CPUs and modern hardware with decent BUS DMA passthru band, and Amiga will kick'em all in the ass!  ;-)  :roll:  :-P  :lol:

I totally agree!! :-D

Good amiga video that says a lot: link to youtube

I can't say anything about mac, I have newer had the chance to use one  :-?

[amigaksi]

>by kolla on 2008/6/9 23:24:10
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>@amigaksi
>
>What the heck is wrong with you?!

Some guy on an Amiga forum is insulting the Amiga (and myself) with misinformation and there's something wrong with me if I speak out against him with FACTS?  Perhaps, you want to answer as to what exactly you are denying: (1) digital joystick is superior to a USB-based one and USB can be implemented within a joystick port, (2) overscan area inherent to NTSC is not accessible via standard graphics cards or APIs, (3) timers are more accurate on Amiga than on PC. Perhaps, you are denying that API calls are less efficient to use than directly accessing standardized hardware.  Even USB has multiple standards and even if there was only one hardware standard, you still have to go through the API since modern OSes won't allow you to access them directly anyways.  And even if you can access them directly, you need more instructions to read a joystick than with a digital joystick.  Or are you denying the fact the industries don't always use the latest technologies-- heck, even an Atari 800 with an LDA 54016 instruction is faster than reading a gameport which was developed years later.

Oh, one more thing, if you are going to reply leave out cursing me out or cursing the amiga out claiming I don't know modern hardware as these don't constitute rational arguments in the college that I come from.

[Jpan1]

The best thing about the Amiga was the fine screen modes which give it a style that modern computers dont have,
drawing with millions of pixels is much tougher than with nice 320x240 on an old monitor.
Modern computers and operating systems are on overload. so many sub routine, patches, etc..
My windows is a botch job, but in the modern world it a necessity for most things...

[Sig999]

Problem with one single modern computer configuration is that in a year and a half it won't be modern anymore.

I think that would be a giant leap BACKWARDS into the bad-old days of computing.

As for the Amiga/Vista stuff - I think the only time Amiga would have been mentioned was if a spanish speaking employee was talking about his/her girlfriend.

Amiga was never a blip on MS's radar - they were busy targetting the business market, and the Amiga wasn't a business machine - it was viewed like an Atari console or C64, if as anything at all.

The first time MS took notice of games - or anything gaming - was when it came to their attention that more PC's had DOOM installed on them than Windows 95.