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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #179 from previous page: March 20, 2010, 11:03:28 PM »
Make sure you are using 44.10, as it will be more compatible. It should work without issues on a 060. So delete the old one you have in C:
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #180 on: March 20, 2010, 11:20:12 PM »
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Make sure you are using 44.10, as it will be more compatible. It should work without issues on a 060. So delete the old one you have in C:


Dont worry about it. But how about adding
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CopyMem , http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/UtilPatch and http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/gfxroute?
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #181 on: March 20, 2010, 11:21:42 PM »
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Make sure you are using 44.10, as it will be more compatible. It should work without issues on a 060. So delete the old one you have in C:

Boing Bag #3 was great, but hozed my AFA_OS install...can it be fixed for BoingBag #3?  Eg. can you make a new archive,

OR, make it so boing bag #3 can be avoided.  So you go 1,2, then 4. ?

The other thing is that boing bag #3 installs many AHI sound drivers, many of which (or most of which) users will NOT have that hardware, and some programs complain about opening those drivers (or trying to open) if the actual hardware does not exist on your system.
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #182 on: March 20, 2010, 11:31:50 PM »
I use AFA_OS with no problem together with BB3. You need to use the last version of its components which are not yet on the AFA_OS website. They are over here:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=643280&postcount=227

The AHI trouble you encounter is made to ensure every soundcard gets supported by default. Just use the AHI preferences editor, select YOUR driver exclusively for each AHI option and save your preferences. Then you can if you want to, erase all the drivers you are not going to use. You shouldnt have any more issues from now on.

Good luck!
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #183 on: March 20, 2010, 11:44:25 PM »
Keeps nagging about me missing the openpci.library the maestix.library and the toccata.library by the way.

Also the http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/MuFastChip might be worth looking into adding. It detects if the patch is already applied and does nothing then naturally.
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #184 on: March 21, 2010, 12:00:18 AM »
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I use AFA_OS with no problem together with BB3. You need to use the last version of its components which are not yet on the AFA_OS website. They are over here:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=643280&postcount=227

The AHI trouble you encounter is made to ensure every soundcard gets supported by default. Just use the AHI preferences editor, select YOUR driver exclusively for each AHI option and save your preferences. Then you can if you want to, erase all the drivers you are not going to use. You shouldnt have any more issues from now on.

Good luck!


Yes, I know you need the latest components.  But its kind of a pain in the butt.  Because out-of-the-box BB3 hozes AFA_OS.  Maybe it's AFA_OS that needs to be updated to new archive, then.
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #185 on: March 21, 2010, 12:27:58 AM »
From the forthcoming version of AFA_OS 4.7, BB3 will be totally supported.
The problem was that AFA_OS only wanted to work with icon.library 45.1.
Authors of both the updated icon.library and AFA_OS have agreed to work together to solve compatibilty issues. So they released that version that fixed incompatibilties, whilst AFA_OS 4.7 is being developed.
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #186 on: March 21, 2010, 12:37:45 AM »
The missing libraries then, openpci is open source, that could be stuck in the bag.  
Someone seems to have had and solved the problem on eab. http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=637218&postcount=15 But i dont get why those are required on an a1200 without a mediator or anything.

from eab:
OpenPCI unified library and drivers for Amiga PCI/AGP Bus Project Page:
http://bvernoux.free.fr/DevPCI.php

OpenPCI library v2.1 (68k and PPC/MorphOS)
OpenPCI library v2.0 (68k and PPC/MorphOS)

MaestroPro driver V41.40 + AHI driver V2.2:
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/Maestix
(includes maestix.library v41.40)

Toccata.library V12.0:
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/toclib12
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #187 on: March 21, 2010, 01:16:42 AM »
The problem is that openpci is not 100% compatible with Mediators. It is an open source replacement (and that is really good), but it may generate some conflicts.
But most importantly, let me tell you that BB3 is an Operating System update, not a driver update, that is why it requires from the user to ensure the installation of their particular hardware drivers, in a proper manner. Of course there are few concesions made, but they are allowed only in the case they dont generate any incompatibility with other systems (which is not the case of openpci).

Thank you for your ideas and support. Let me try to explain you that the idea behind BB3 is to follow the concepts drawn by AmigaOs 3.9 and attempt to remain as faithfull as possible to the original AmigaOS 3.9 design goal/concept. This means we are rather conservative when it comes to adding system patches, that may eventually create a conflict.
Of course, if you like certain particular set of apps and patches, you are welcomed to create your own AmigaOS distribution/enviroment much like Amikit, AmigaSYS, ClassicWB and AIAB do. But it is not our goal. The objective we target, as said before is to update, enhance and bugfix AmigaOS 3.9 as much as possible, but leaving the user the freedom to choose between any of these emulation/distribution enviroments. We are more focused on the core of the OS, not on the enviroment aspects of it.

I hope you find sense out of my poor and damaged brain ;)

Thanks again, and your suggestions are allways welcomed, as much as you are welcomed to disagree with me and find a safe way to create those patches as rom updates yourself and prove me that I am wrong. :)

After all I am just one of many involved in this project, and I am not allways right! :)
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #188 on: March 21, 2010, 02:27:22 AM »
@Gulliver

Understood, but surely people with mmu´s could get some love from mmulib?
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

What about a patch selecting dialog? That way people can mess up their Amigas on their own.

Stuff like this is infinitely interesting. http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/gfxlib_4025b4  
Patch controlling installing conflict detecting wonderbra might be the way to go then?
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #189 on: March 21, 2010, 04:02:16 AM »
@mike-
I'm the author of CopyMem and UtilPatch. You no longer need to use UtilPatch if you are using Thomas Richter's 68060.library. It's now incorporated with small changes into the 68060.library as a patch for the utility.library. One less patch is needed :). I should update the aminet readme to reflect this though.

CopyMem is still quite useful. I plan on trying to make a new exec.library which incorporates this, TLSFmem and some optimizations. That would be a better BB inclusion than a patch I think.
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #190 on: March 21, 2010, 08:32:29 AM »
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@mike-
 I plan on trying to make a new exec.library which incorporates this, TLSFmem and some optimizations. That would be a better BB inclusion than a patch I think.



Cool!!! Just let us know when you are done, so we give it a try, and of course, include it in BB4 :)
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #191 on: March 21, 2010, 08:36:33 AM »
>From the forthcoming version of AFA_OS 4.7, BB3 will be totally supported.

Yes.

AFA 4.7 is near ready, only installer script change so it can install in amikit must done.
I think it can release in 1-2 weeks.

currently this is working

+when use 8 bit screen Icon display use now old Iconlib.AFA work also with PeterK iconlib and BB3.

+ wawa add code for Window gadgets in 8 bit screen look, and AFA look now nicer even on 640*256*4 AGA screens.
   known Problem: On some Programs the size gadget placing is not correct center in 4-256 color screens.

+ All Programs (kingcon) that use builtin Icons can work now without extern Icon.(thanks PeterK for help at this)

+ with Lib Revision 88 the Frameiclass support with the zune Skin System the render of

FRAME_PROPBORDER (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_PROPKNOB (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_DISPLAYBOX (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_WINDOW
FRAME_PAGE
FRAME_GROUP
FRAME_REQUESTER

IA_Orientation (compatible with OS4 API) is used to rotate the slider shading horizontal/vertical


+ fix redraw Problem that happen with Final Data
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 08:40:02 AM by bernd_afa »
 

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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #192 on: March 21, 2010, 08:43:34 AM »
After installing BB3 on AmiKit MagicMenu is no longer transparent.
How can I fix this?

Offline GulliverTopic starter

Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #193 on: March 21, 2010, 08:48:59 AM »
Sorry, @bernd_afa just said what i wanted to explain. And he is the authority on the subject
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Re: AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3
« Reply #194 on: March 21, 2010, 08:54:35 AM »
Quote from: bernd_afa;548935
>From the forthcoming version of AFA_OS 4.7, BB3 will be totally supported.

Yes.

AFA 4.7 is near ready, only installer script change so it can install in amikit must done.
I think it can release in 1-2 weeks.

currently this is working

+when use 8 bit screen Icon display use now old Iconlib.AFA work also with PeterK iconlib and BB3.

+ wawa add code for Window gadgets in 8 bit screen look, and AFA look now nicer even on 640*256*4 AGA screens.
   known Problem: On some Programs the size gadget placing is not correct center in 4-256 color screens.

+ All Programs (kingcon) that use builtin Icons can work now without extern Icon.(thanks PeterK for help at this)

+ with Lib Revision 88 the Frameiclass support with the zune Skin System the render of

FRAME_PROPBORDER (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_PROPKNOB (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_DISPLAYBOX (compatible with OS4 API)
FRAME_WINDOW
FRAME_PAGE
FRAME_GROUP
FRAME_REQUESTER

IA_Orientation (compatible with OS4 API) is used to rotate the slider shading horizontal/vertical


+ fix redraw Problem that happen with Final Data


I am looking forward to the update. It seems a lot of work has been done. Thanks!