AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3

[Minuous]

>Devs/scsi.device could not be found

That's strange, could you please send me your install_log_file?

>Also, my monitor appears to become more and more unstable after I install the Unofficial BoingBag3 script. It might be the age of the CRT, or a less than perfect connection of my IndivisionAGA to the Lisa

It doesn't upgrade any monitor drivers (although it does add some new ones).

[amigadave]

>Devs/scsi.device could not be found

That's strange, could you please send me your install_log_file?

>Also, my monitor appears to become more and more unstable after I install the Unofficial BoingBag3 script. It might be the age of the CRT, or a less than perfect connection of my IndivisionAGA to the Lisa

It doesn't upgrade any monitor drivers (although it does add some new ones).

Still working on it, but I am saving logfiles this time.  I think the scsi.device is in the A1200 KickstartROM, that is why it does not show up in Devs:

[Gulliver]

RiVA author was contacted, what follows is the email exchange:

Hello!
 
I have planned on releasing RiVA as freeware at some stage, but have
not done so due to lack of interest at the time. I suppose it wouldn't
hurt to get it released as freeware even though I don't think many
people are serious about playing videos on classic Amigas these days,
some people may find it useful. However give me some time to get it
sorted out as I don't get as much time for Amiga things lately as I
would like to.
 
Best Regards and a Happy Holiday Season,
Stephen Fellner
 
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:08 PM wrote:
> Dear Stephen Fellner,
>                            I am writting to ask if you could release as
> freeware your copyrighted files corresponding to your RiVA mpeg
> player software product free for non commercial purposes. I hope you can see
> this as a good endeavour and support us with your fully working program as a
> contribution to our small Amiga comunity.
>
> I hope we can count with your blessing, looking forward for an answer,
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Regards,

[matthey]

@Gulliver

Great news! Why didn't you do all this a long time ago .

[rvo_nl]

I think the scsi.device is in the A1200 KickstartROM, that is why it does not show up in Devs:

Confirmed!

[kolla]

After installation there should be a requester telling user to do a power off to get rid off old loaded modules, that would avoid many scsi.device problems and whatnot.

Btw. there's a KingCon 1.8 on AmiKit, among various fixes it also allows KingCon to be loaded as a kickstart module so CON: is replaced with kingcon even when booting without startup-sequence. I really wish we had the sources for it, I'd love to see 1.8 for 68000 as well, and not just 020+ (that goes for alot of stuff btw).

[nyteschayde]

Is the installer the latest version? Are you doing updates for the installer?

[nyteschayde]

Is this link the latest version? If AmiKit would hurry up and finally finish delivering my Lyra I can test this out. It's been weeks now so it *should* be here soon and I am dying to be able to use my keyboard to give this a go. Let me know

Thanks to everyone for their kind words. Anyway, keep in mind i am just one of many working on this project, and they all truly diserve the credits.

@TheGoose

You can get the beta version of the installation  package at:

http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/BoingBag3.lha

Please remember to report any bugs if you find them!

[tomazkid]

We're talking about OSNews not amigaworld. I don't see how amigaworld moderators can call the shots about what is covered at an unaffiliated site. If amigaworld - or amiga-news.com for that matter - want their users to be left in the dark about new Amiga releases, and using obsolete software with known bugs in it for which fixes are available, that's up to them I guess.

Imho every site decides for themselves.



Regarding aw.net not publishing the news item, it is due to doubts of the legality, I did email around, and got some clear answers from one of the license/copyright/owners saying BB3 is not legal, you can PM me on aw.net, and I can give a bit more details.

[kolla]

And I mailed Jesus and he said it was all right.

Really - if they have complaints, then they should speak up loud and clear and state the legal status of the code in question - right now, anything that is copyrighted "Amiga Inc" is up in the blue legally.

[dannyp1]

What's the big secret?  If you know of somebody who feels they are being hurt by the BB3 project, you or the person with the "clear answers" should speak up and not play games.  For it to be illegal somebody would have to care that their code that was written for the Amiga was being used on Amiga's.  There is nobody connected with this project who is making a single penny from somebody elses work.  There is nobody on the project who is trying to take credit for somebody elses work.

[Piru]

@ kolla & dannyp1

Well IMHO the situation is clear: The BB3 compilers didn't clear the copyright issues. The BB3 limbo is direct result from this.

This is exactly the reason why you should always clear these issues beforehand.

The current situation might seem unfair, considering no money making is involved. However, copyright is the "copy" "right", and it applies regardless of the payment (even if none).

[dannyp1]

If somebody is a copyright holder why don't they step forward and identify themselves and present the proof that they have a legal right to stop the BB3.  There are being efforts made and emails sent daily trying to clear up any problems. (I might add that nobody who has been contacted and has replied has had a problem with the project yet).  I find it strange that somebody on another board can send out a couple of emails and instantly get replys that contain "clear answers" but it is a big secret as to who the mystery copyright holder is and why he would give a hoot that somebody is trying to keep a dying platform alive with no hurt being done to him.  Am I the only one who is curious who this "license/copyright/owner" is.

[Framiga]

i didn't follow the thread carfully BUT i just downloaded the archive ... guys, you'r really looking for troubles here!

[Minuous]

>After installation there should be a requester telling user to do a power off to get rid off old loaded modules, that would avoid many scsi.device problems and whatnot.

Already implemented in beta 2.

>Btw. there's a KingCon 1.8 on AmiKit, among various fixes it also allows KingCon to be loaded as a kickstart module so CON: is replaced with kingcon even when booting without startup-sequence. I really wish we had the sources for it, I'd love to see 1.8 for 68000 as well, and not just 020+ (that goes for alot of stuff btw).

BB3 is primarily upgrades of existing apps, whereas KingCon and AnimIcon are complete replacements for existing apps, which explains their omission from the core BB3 package. (Although they may be suitable candidates for a BB3 Contributions package.)

[LoadWB]

The onus is not upon the copyright holder to monitor every project out there, but on the project producers to ensure they are not violating copyright.

None the less, I would suggest keeping a running score board of products for which you have received the okay to proceed with BB3, along with the official notice from the original author.  Then only include those in the archive as testing progresses.

If no one has objected so far when contacted, then kudos to you and keep moving forward with attempts at contact, but certainly do not assume cooperation.  Bear in mind that some people may be a little miffed or offended by inclusion of their work in a project, even if not-for-profit, without having been contacted first; they might not even make first contact with you.

I think the BB3 project is a great idea and would be a benefit to us all, but only if done correctly.