AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3

[dannyp1]

I will just repeat what I already said.  If making a BB3 is so easy, why is this the first real effort that has been made to do it.  People have been pleading for years to get this done and now that someone is actually making it happen, all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork.  This doesn't need to be "bullet proof".  It Needs to get into the hands of Amiga users who actually still use their Amiga's.  Please don't tell me how easy this is to do, show me.

[AmiKit]

I will just repeat what I already said.  If making a BB3 is so easy, why is this the first real effort that has been made to do it.  People have been pleading for years to get this done and now that someone is actually making it happen, all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork.  This doesn't need to be "bullet proof".  It Needs to get into the hands of Amiga users who actually still use their Amiga's.  Please don't tell me how easy this is to do, show me.

At first you were talking about installer, now you are talking about easyness of creating the whole package. Make up your mind. Btw. I've already created both so I see no reason why should I show anything more to you. I will just repeat what I already said. Feel free to modify the already existing script. Merry Christmas.

[matthey]

Has anyone got Thomas Richter email?

Thomas Righter's e-mail is the same as it's always been. Look in the Mu/mmu.library package on Aminet. The problem is that he has seen the source code and would not be able to release his updates without "official" permission. It's a little different when someone signs a NDA. Getting official permission would open doors.

Another product I would like to see included to complement MooVid is Riva. It's a MPEG player written entirely in assembler so it's very fast. Stephen (Cobra on AmigaWorld.net) went on to write DvPlayer for AmigaOS 4. Maybe you could get him to release the full version of Riva on Aminet with source code too, preferably?

[dannyp1]

Amikit said:  "At first you were talking about installer, now you are talking about easyness of creating the whole package. Make up your mind. Btw. I've already created both so I see no reason why should I show anything more to you."

We must be missing something in the translation between native languages here.  If you have allready done all of this why are Gulliver and his crew wasting their time doing what you have already done?

I know you have an installer for installing patches on your emulation.  This is for real Amiga's.

You are taking what I am saying personally and it is not meant to be that way.  You have a wonderful web site that I have visited many times and donated money to more than once.  It is a great resource for the community.  I just don't consider the BB3 project to be easy or it would have been done long before now.  I know that I couldn't do what they are doing or I would have already done it myself.

[Gulliver]

@matthey

I was thinking the exact same things! i am going to try to contact Stephen Fellner first!

[AmiKit]

Amikit said:  "At first you were talking about installer, now you are talking about easyness of creating the whole package. Make up your mind. Btw. I've already created both so I see no reason why should I show anything more to you."

We must be missing something in the translation between native languages here.  If you have allready done all of this why are Gulliver and his crew wasting their time doing what you have already done?

I know you have an installer for installing patches on your emulation.  This is for real Amiga's.

You are taking what I am saying personally and it is not meant to be that way.  You have a wonderful web site that I have visited many times and donated money to more than once.  It is a great resource for the community.  I just don't consider the BB3 project to be easy or it would have been done long before now.  I know that I couldn't do what they are doing or I would have already done it myself.

dannyp1, all what I am saying is that I've done SIMILAR package+installer for AmiKit.
Now when BB3 package is ready for real Amiga (thanks to Gulliver and others), there's only one more step to make it legal and thus promotable worldwide: the proper .pch installer. And that's easy according to my experience. I've also published my installer script as an example for anyone who wants to try it. That's all.

[Minuous]

>This way the Unofficial Boing Bag can be promoted everywhere, on OSNews and other servers

There is nothing stopping it being promoted as is.

>distributed on Amiga Future CD, etc.

This would not meet condition #2 of the licence. Maybe we should have an exemption for magazine coverdisks.

[AmiKit]

>This way the Unofficial Boing Bag can be promoted everywhere, on OSNews and other servers

There is nothing stopping it being promoted as is.

Wrong. See SilvrDrgn's post #75

[Minuous]

Wrong. See SilvrDrgn's post #75

That doesn't stop them from mentioning it. No one is proposing that OSNews should be distributing the package, they are a news site not a download site.

[AmiKit]

That doesn't stop them from mentioning it. No one is proposing that OSNews should be distributing the package, they are a news site not a download site.

Wrong. See Yo's post.

[Minuous]

We're talking about OSNews not amigaworld. I don't see how amigaworld moderators can call the shots about what is covered at an unaffiliated site. If amigaworld - or amiga-news.com for that matter - want their users to be left in the dark about new Amiga releases, and using obsolete software with known bugs in it for which fixes are available, that's up to them I guess.

[AmiKit]

We're talking about OSNews not amigaworld.

And what is the difference?? Btw. I haven't noticed any real arguments against SilvrDrgn's and Yo's claims. I won't participate in this discussion with you until I see some. Sorry.

[buzz]

I think the point has been made about the legality. again and again. I suggest ignoring the community police and carry on. good job :-)

[amigadave]

Well, I don't know how many other users/members here are trying to use this "Unofficial Boing Bag 3" lha file/installer script and if they are having no problems getting it to work, but I am about to start my 4th attempt from a clean OS3.9 plus BoingBag1 & 2 on an empty partition as the first three attempts have failed.

I am back to having an error message which prevents Workbench from loading that states that RAM-Handler version 44 is already loaded and gives a LoadModule error.

On this last attempt, I also got the error that Devs/scsi.device could not be found, or did not exist, which when I booted from another partition, or my backup ZIP100: drive and checked, I confirmed that there is no scsi.device to be found in the Devs directory, or anywhere else on my CF card (which is attached to the internal IDE controller via a IDE to CF card adapter.

I am getting lost now, as I don't fully understand how the internal controller is working with the OS3.9 install process without any scsi.device present for the internal IDE controller on the A1200.

Also, my monitor appears to become more and more unstable after I install the Unofficial BoingBag3 script.  It might be the age of the CRT, or a less than perfect connection of my IndivisionAGA to the Lisa chip, I cannot tell what is causing the tearing and artifacts on my 19" monitor, but I was using a 16" CRT earlier in this process and it exhibited the same tearing and artifacts, so I am not too fast to blame the monitors.  I guess it could be a faulty IndivisionAGA, but until I get a stable OS running on it again, I can't say for sure what the problem is, as the display was not 100% prior to my attempts to install BoingBag3, but I thought that I might have had a loose connection to the Lisa chip then, and/or heat problem from the hard drive sitting on top of the IndivisionAGA.  Now with the CF card adapter, heat above the IndivisionAGA should not be an issue.

I am going to download the latest version of the Unofficial BoingBag3 file again, as I think one or two adjustments have been made since the version I have been trying.

I am not sure what else to try differently, except to not use the installer script at all and do all of the file installations and patches manually myself.

Any ideas for me?  I would also like to hear from others that have used the installer script successfully to know if there was anything they had to do to get it to work properly.

[Minuous]

Good job :-)

Thanks :-)

I've done SIMILAR package+installer for AmiKit.

BB3 is a superset of this, ie. it contains all those upgraded components plus many more.

[Minuous]

>Devs/scsi.device could not be found

That's strange, could you please send me your install_log_file?

>Also, my monitor appears to become more and more unstable after I install the Unofficial BoingBag3 script. It might be the age of the CRT, or a less than perfect connection of my IndivisionAGA to the Lisa

It doesn't upgrade any monitor drivers (although it does add some new ones).