Why is this forum so Amiga unfriendly

[Speelgoedmannetje]

marcfrick2112 wrote: Not everyone has xx GHz processors to surf the net.. (typing this on my 633Mhz Celeron running Xandros... Click, wait 2 minutes, repeat... Edit; No, I am not a hypocrite, my Xandros machine was the easiest to get to... (Nursing a messed up knee, no stair-climbing for me)

:-?
I got a 133mhz pc with 64mb memory, win98 + Firefox 2, and the site loads in a jiffy.

[NoFastMem]

Sometimes I wonder if so many Amiga users, who constantly proselytize about the Amiga's inherently great multimedia capabilities, wouldn't be happier with a green screen and CP/M.

It's 2008 for crying out loud.

[redrumloa]

NoFastMem wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if so many Amiga users, who constantly proselytize about the Amiga's inherently great multimedia capabilities, wouldn't be happier with a green screen and CP/M.

It's 2008 for crying out loud.

/me puts hand up

Yes I am happier with my Televideo TS-803H. Actually I've posted to Amiga.org on one of my CP/M systems before :crazy:

[HopperJF]

redrumloa wrote:

NoFastMem wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if so many Amiga users, who constantly proselytize about the Amiga's inherently great multimedia capabilities, wouldn't be happier with a green screen and CP/M.

It's 2008 for crying out loud.

/me puts hand up

Yes I am happier with my Televideo TS-803H. Actually I've posted to Amiga.org on one of my CP/M systems before :crazy:

Can't be that unfriendly then, surely an Amiga beats a CP/M, especially one as beasty as scuzz's, sounds like its unrelated to the system itself and more to his connection maybe?

[amiganaut]

My 2 cents.  I am using Ibrowse 2.4 on 56k dialup and my
amiga 3000 with 16megs and Picasso IV.

Yes it is slow , but it works fine.

Amiganaut

[Tenacious]

@ Wayne

"..actual Amiga-based browsers make up less than 10% of our users, most of those using emulators.."

WOW! I always thought the percentages were higher than that.  Can you disclose the actual number of us  (disillusioned fools, grin) still logging on with real Amigas?  How many with emulators?  Just curious.

My 2 cents worth: This site is dedicated to and about Amiga, it should always be usable by real Amigas, even if our numbers have fallen somewhat.  Those with "modern" computers and OSes can go anywhere on the net without hindrance.  It's telling that the other 90% of user's choose to come here, says a lot about the quality of this site and the community here.

It also helps to illuminate the seemingly majority opinion that Amigas are for hobby and gaming, not everyday use.

Good luck with the new job.

[LoadWB]

Is there any way to give two Xoops instances access to the same database back-end?  That way you could have the current interface for old browsers, and the new interface for modern systems.  A little PHP logic could allow automagic selection or a user-set preference, or just differences in the URL.

[Cammy]

I don't understand why so many people need to be so nasty here instead of trying to help. I think a text-only version or something similar for low-bandwidth users is a great idea, similar to what the English Amiga Board has just implemented with the "Mobile" version.

I must admit, I haven't used my Amiga online yet so I don't know how much trouble it would be, but I use this site from a PC with dialup and have no problems with it, so I don't think it's a speed related problem.

I hope you find a way around the problem and can post from your A4000 soon.

[HopperJF]

Cammy wrote:
I don't understand why so many people need to be so nasty here instead of trying to help. I think a text-only version or something similar for low-bandwidth users is a great idea, similar to what the English Amiga Board has just implemented with the "Mobile" version.

I must admit, I haven't used my Amiga online yet so I don't know how much trouble it would be, but I use this site from a PC with dialup and have no problems with it, so I don't think it's a speed related problem.

I hope you find a way around the problem and can post from your A4000 soon.

Hear hear.
I'm amazed at actually how UNFRIENDLY this supposedly Amiga forum can be sometimes (in both senses!)

Looking at some of the posts from people, you would think it was a Win XP problem ripping into the poor little Amiga user trying to explain to him why the site doesn't work properly on his little machine.

But instead people should realise that Scuzz is in an increasing minority, a special  minority we should be proud of who actually STILL ACTIVELY USE THEIR REAL AMIGAS AFTER ALL THIS TIME!!!

It is easy to sit there comfortably in front of your Linux/Windoze box saying it's the hardware but remember this site was built for AMIGA users and we should help the guy in any way we can since he is more of an Amiga user than many of us!

Unfortunately he hasn't posted for a while after bidding his farewell so it seems too late and Amiga.org seems to have lost a seemingly very dedicated Amiga repairer.

[adz]

I must say that some people seem a little on the defensive. Anywho...A few years back, my bordom go the better of me and I tried browsing a.org using Lynx (a text only browser) and it seemed quite usable. I discovered that there is an Amiga version of Lynx, ALynx, so perhaps you could give that a go. Another idea would be to investigate purchasing a router, rigging up a data point or two in your workshop and then setting up a machine in your workshop that is dedicated to posting online.

[Golem!dk]

The problem here is that scuzz wasn't really looking for a solution.

[redrumloa]

I don't speak for Wayne obviously, so this is just my opinion. Wayne's opinion may vary by a wide margin.

My 2 cents worth: This site is dedicated to and about Amiga, it should always be usable by real Amigas, even if our numbers have fallen somewhat. Those with "modern" computers and OSes can go anywhere on the net without hindrance. It's telling that the other 90% of user's choose to come here, says a lot about the quality of this site and the community here.

I appreciate what you are saying in theory, but in practice it is extremely impractical. Think about it, it is now 2008 and historical Amiga browsers are built on mid 90's technology. I am a huge retro fan, I use my Commodore 128 all the time. However, it would be silly to expect C= forums like Commodore128.org and Lemon64 to make their sites friendly to C64/128 native web browsers. Web technology moves on while our ancient orphaned platforms do not.

[Tenacious]

We can agree to disagree, I guess.  Since you quoted me, I felt compelled to respond.

Our points of view seem seperated by a canyon. Some points:

1  I still happily and productively use my Amiga for nearly everything, including surfing the web.  While I appreciate Amiga.org as an Amiga friendly site, it does not form the borders of my online horizon.  I surf everywhere with Amiga.  In fact, I bravely use Amiga on sites where I would fear to tread with Windows for fear of infection. (Grin!)  The only sites I avoid are those that are prideful of cutting edge standards and video codecs (U-toob, Google Earth, etc).

2  I don't see technical difficulty leaving this site as is.  I certainly don't want to marginalize the hard work that goes into all web sites, especially one as comprehensive as this one.  (Thanks again guys.)  My fear is Wayne and company may someday grow tired of old HTML and hanker after the latest & greatest web technology.  That's human desire, not a technical roadblock.  The technical sophistication, content, accessability, moderation, and style of Amiga.org is very nicely matched to our purpose.  (Again, thank you!)

3  My Amiga is not "retro", it is the way I want to compute.  Period.  I do enjoy (and collect) some retro technology more than most people, but Amiga is not nostalgic for me.  You make the comparison to a C128.  I can't see it.  The Amiga OS (and hardware, too) is vastly more powerful, capable, and sophisticated.  I admittedly have little experience with Commodore 64/128, but the only commonallity I see between the two is the manufacture's logo.  In short, I'm not willing to hang up my guns yet.  I don't think I'm the only one.



Reading back over what I just wrote, it even sounds hard line to me.  I think I'm responding to a tide I feel here from other users.  It seems many members (the majority?) want to speed my world into history.  We've all seen negative and sarcastic posts advising newbies to limit their exploration to gaming and hobbying. Others have actually jeered the notion of still seriously using an Amiga as the main computer.  Though I don't understand pure gamers and collectors, I'm glad everyone is here.