Are we became crazy?

[stefcep2]

marcfrick2112 wrote:
@stefcep2: Good points... but really, 8-16MB for Lightwave?? Even with 64MB, I still couln't load one scene from LightROM 6,  now with 128MB I can load it, still horribly slow to render...

Really?  Wow I'd never known an Amiga program needing more than 8 MB.  My scenes must be relatively simple.  Rendering time is a problem though I agree, but for by turning some of the options off it can make a big difference.  In such cases I'd use an emulator

[Xamiche]

motorollin wrote:

Tenacious wrote:
I'm a user but I have rescued more Amigas than I can use at once.  I find them sometimes for free and can't stand the notion that they might be lost.  Then I spend money (not too much) expanding them in a way unique to the others in the collection.  I treasure all of them.

You're the Amiga Jesus! :-D

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moto

Except that Tenacious really exists. :-D

[bloodline]

Xamiche wrote:

motorollin wrote:

Tenacious wrote:
I'm a user but I have rescued more Amigas than I can use at once.  I find them sometimes for free and can't stand the notion that they might be lost.  Then I spend money (not too much) expanding them in a way unique to the others in the collection.  I treasure all of them.

You're the Amiga Jesus! :-D

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moto

Except that Tenacious really exists. :-D

We don't know that... other than some vague written text on this forum... there is no actual evidence for Tenacious :-)

[NovaCoder]

I have a solution, if everyone here sells half of their Amiga collection on eBay the price will drop through the floor....good old supply and demand  :-D

Come on guys, share the love :lol:

[Xamiche]

bloodline wrote:

Xamiche wrote:

motorollin wrote:

Tenacious wrote:
I'm a user but I have rescued more Amigas than I can use at once.  I find them sometimes for free and can't stand the notion that they might be lost.  Then I spend money (not too much) expanding them in a way unique to the others in the collection.  I treasure all of them.

You're the Amiga Jesus! :-D

--
moto

Except that Tenacious really exists. :-D

We don't know that... other than some vague written text on this forum... there is no actual evidence for Tenacious :-)

OMG...the Tenacious Code.

I think I 'are become crazy'. I 'accidentally' bid on an A590 HD on eBay the other night. So much for getting rid of all my Amiga equipment. :lol:
Though I did kind of justify it to myself. The A590 will serve as a better board for my A500 tower project than the SCRAM 500. By virtue of the fact the RAM chips for an A590 are much cheaper and easier to find than the ZIP chips that the SCRAM uses. Saves me having to build that SIMM to ZIP converter.

[terminator4]

not really.  the hardware is cheaper in most cases, than what it originally cost way back.  I think most of the newbies to Amiga that never owned Amigas in 80s/90s fail to understand this.  Look at some old magazines and see what hardware cost back then.  And since nothing new has been produced (hardly, esp for accel boards) then you know the answer.  Some supply & demand.  The GVP boards are still great and don't break down.
By the way, I would say things a CHEAPER.
t4. :-D

[Xamiche]

It's not as simple as comparing a price in 1990 to one today when deciding if the hardware is more expensive. You have to consider depreciation and the prices of the Amiga contemporaries, today. It's a comparative thing. In 1990 a new PC would cost around $2500. An Amiga 4000 cost around $2400. Today you couldn't give away that 1990 PC, yet the Amiga 4000 will still sell for $1000. This is what people are referring to when they say Amiga equipment is expensive. When they say 'Damn Amiga stuff is expensive' what they mean is, damn this stuff has not depreciated the way you'd expect old computer equipment to.

In some cases the equipment is worth more now than when it was new. A Blizzard 603e Power Board w/ 120 MHz 603e cost $399.00USD in 1997. Today you'd be lucky to get one for less than twice that price. I've seen them sell for over 1k$. Toastscan Scandoubler Flicker Fixer. Originally $159 retail. The last one I saw sell, went for $910.

These are the pieces of equipment people are referring to. Not just some $10 Amiga 500 you can get at a flea market. So I would say some things are cheaper. like the Computers themselves, but some things are much more expensive, such as  Amiga expansions.

[Ami_GFX]

Amigans always were a bit crazy. The early 90s Amiga scene had a wild side. Except for professional video toaster users, there was really no practical justification for spending the fantastic amount of money that a tricked out Amiga system cost at the time except that you liked it so much. The $450 or so I've put into my A4000 pales in comparison to what an A4000 with a Toaster and RTG card and a SCSI card would have cost in say 1995.

Are we so crazy? Yes and no. $910 for a Toaster Scan is as foolish as crazy. So much more cool Amiga gear you could have gotten for that money. For example, an A4000T Toaster Flyer system sold for $610 a few days ago. $300 left for pocket change. To whoever bought the the Toast Scan for $910, all I can say is fool, fool, fool.

Then again, I bought a 2632 memory expansion for well under $100 last year and one sold recently for around $260 so it looks like it wasn't such a bad investment and money well spent. Gold only went from $700 to $900 and ounce and most real estate around here has gone down in value, not up, so in an in investment sense--something to spend your extra money on--it doesn't seem so crazy. And so much more fun and interesting than most investments.

[Damion]

Are we so crazy? Yes and no. $910 for a Toaster Scan is as foolish as crazy. So much more cool Amiga gear you could have gotten for that money. For example, an A4000T Toaster Flyer system sold for $610 a few days ago. $300 left for pocket change. To whoever bought the the Toast Scan for $910, all I can say is fool, fool, fool.

Exactly. Even if that auction was real, a Toastscan (or *any* Amiga scandoubler, let alone a PIV) hasn't sold for nearly so much before or since, so I don't think it's representative of reality. While I agree that the price of expansions (and certain Amiga models) has gone up significantly, the ebay market fluctuates pretty wildly. (It really sucks when you want a particular expansion at the exact same time as 6 other people...)

The A2000 seems to be a "hot item" ATM... You could hardly give them away a few years ago. On the other hand, unexpanded A4ks appear to have held a more level value.

[Xamiche]

Amigas can be a great little earner if done right. I sold 90% of my collection recently and made nearly 3 times what I paid for them originally. And that was without really trying. I turned them into a nice new Fender Stratocaster and some home recording equipment so I'm certainly happy with the increase in value. My Amiga 1200 sold for $455AU. I was quite shocked at that. I started it on ebay at $90 and was hoping I might get $150-$200. People just go nuts on ebay.

Anyone paying $910 for a toastscan SD/FF is certainly a fool, but that's not so crazy compared to the price trends I've seen lately. I'm seeing sales like that all the time. Especially with Blizzard hardware. I've not seen a 603e sell for under $800 in the last few years.

Are we became crazy? I'd say that's a resounding yes.
 :crazy:

Edit: Here's another toastscan SD/FF I just found on feebay. Nearly triple the original price.

ToastScan SD/FF

[Ami_GFX]

Yeah and this is what $610 got someone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320245931192&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

[Xamiche]

Ami_GFX wrote:
Yeah and this is what $610 got someone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320245931192&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

Lucky him. In my country you'd never get that for under 1k$. I'd love to buy an Amiga 4000 from the US or UK, but by the time I paid the shipping, it would have been cheaper to buy it here. :-(
You guys who live there sometimes don't appreciate how expensive Amiga gear can be outside your respective countries. I remember Alexh saying the a standard Amiga 1200 are as 'common as muck' and only worth about £30 or so. Maybe in the UK, but here they are much less common, and sell for much more.

[Ami_GFX]

Usually they go for more here too--like around $800-900. Especially tricked out like this one with so much extra gear and all the documentation.

[Xamiche]

Ami_GFX wrote:
Usually they go for more here too--like around $800-900. Especially tricked out like this one with so much extra gear and all the documentation.

$610 is a fantastic price. It makes me green with envy. :-D

[Damion]

Amigas can be a great little earner if done right. I sold 90% of my collection recently and made nearly 3 times what I paid for them originally. And that was without really trying. I turned them into a nice new Fender Stratocaster and some home recording equipment so I'm certainly happy with the increase in value. My Amiga 1200 sold for $455AU. I was quite shocked at that. I started it on ebay at $90 and was hoping I might get $150-$200.

Congrats! It's a good thing to let go now and again, even better when it involves tripling your money and investing in yet another hobby.

People just go nuts on ebay.

Yeah, I recall auctioning a DCE internal SD/FF about five years ago, it sold for over double what they were still available for new. :crazy: Ridiculous. (Not that I complained too much...)

[Xamiche]

Yeah, it sure is nice seeing things from the other end for a change, instead of paying out a kings ransom for the gear. :-D