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Are we became crazy?
« on: May 05, 2008, 06:19:16 PM »
Do you think that several 2nd hand pieces of hardware for our amigas are too expensive?
68K Acelerators 100,200,300 €
PPC's ¡¡¡400/500 €!!! FOR 233 Mhz
Amiga 4000 ppc, pIV, paloma, 128 Mb, HD and net card and some thing more up to 1000 €!
Videocards 100 €, PVI 250 €!
And the worst is: ¡we pay this prices! :crazy:
Do you think that is normal?

I'm becaming crazy
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 06:24:58 PM »
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 06:28:35 PM »
Some new amiga hardware could maybe change the hole thing
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 06:35:19 PM »
I would have to say yes :-D
 

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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 07:45:43 PM »
Are we became crazy?

make sure it's a ppc accelerator not a pcp accelerator. easy mistake to make. ;-)
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 07:50:47 PM »
yes and no.... the 2060 I got a while ago sold originally for >1000DM == >500 euro

I got it for less then 200 euro.... so considering inflation, considerably less then the original price - more than scrap... yes of course but hey :-)

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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 08:07:25 PM »
to spend hundreds of euros for hardware that can fail on the very next day, yes thats crazy, but what the h**ll, you only live once..  :crazy:
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 08:19:14 PM »
Yep my last bout of insanity was when I bought a second hand PPC card for $850 only for it to die a few months later...  That was in 2000.  Never again...
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 08:20:41 PM »
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 08:33:28 PM »
Yeah, it's crazy...  But not really any more crazy than any other collectors.  There are three classes of people driving up prices...  We just have a few different groups that look for different items and they don't understand each other.

1) Nostalgia gamers -- They buy up the A500, 600, 1200, CD32 that they wanted/had back in the day.  Typically they want a nice rig, but something that is highly usable (not tricked out to the point that it can't play games).  In a bidding war for an item, they're likely to be the first to drop out.  They're fairly oblivious to the fuss over high-ticket items, as what they want are the fairly common rigs of the day.

2) Actual Amiga Users -- They have the crazy custom A1200, A3000 and A4000 towers, CSPPC/Blizzards, Mediators, etc.  They use them, and are kindred spirits and helpers to group 1 and call group 3 crazy, and hate them for driving up the prices on stuff they want to use.

3) Collectors -- These are the people who wanted that high-end Amiga back in the day.  Now they have the means get it, and the price tag doesn't scare them that much.  They don't have a lot of plans to use the machine besides just the joy of putting it together and occasionally firing it up for some silly thing or another, just to keep it in working order.

Groups 2 and 3 clash a lot, because they want a lot of the same items.  

The collectors can't understand why someone would seriously want to use an Amiga as a main computer.  They think it's insane!  

And the users can't understand why someone would want to spend that much money on something they won't use much.  They think it's insane!

Hence, you get posts like this, asking if we're crazy.  I don't think we are, we just don't understand each other...   :lol:
 

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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2008, 08:40:41 PM »
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Ilwrath wrote:
Yeah, it's crazy...  But not really any more crazy than any other collectors.  There are three classes of people driving up prices...  We just have a few different groups that look for different items and they don't understand each other.

1) Nostalgia gamers -- They buy up the A500, 600, 1200, CD32 that they wanted/had back in the day.  Typically they want a nice rig, but something that is highly usable (not tricked out to the point that its can't play games).  In a bidding war for an item, they're likely to be the first to drop out.  They're fairly oblivious to the fuss over high-ticket items, as what they want are the fairly common rigs of the day.

2) Actual Amiga Users -- They have the crazy custom A1200, A3000 and A4000 towers, CSPPC/Blizzards, Mediators, etc.  They use them, and are kindred spirits and helpers to group 1 and call group 3 crazy, and hate them for driving up the prices on stuff they want to use.

3) Collectors -- These are the people who wanted that high-end Amiga back in the day.  Now they have the means get it, and the price tag doesn't scare them that much.  They don't have a lot of plans to use the machine besides just the joy of putting it together and occasionally firing it up for some silly thing or another, just to keep it in working order.

Groups 2 and 3 clash a lot, because they want a lot of the same items.  

The collectors can't understand why someone would seriously want to use an Amiga as a main computer.  They think it's insane!  

And the users can't understand why someone would want to spend that much money on something they won't use much.  They think it's insane!

Hence, you get posts like this, asking if we're crazy.  I don't think we are, we just don't understand ourselves...   :lol:


Hmm.. i just cant make up my mind to which group i belong  :-D
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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2008, 08:42:32 PM »
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They set us up the bomb.


It's you !!

You have no chance to survive make your time.


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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 09:33:30 AM »
To pay $200-$300 for A1200 with an 030, scsi and 8-16 mb RAM is not crazy: you can play any Amiga game ever made, you have some good graphics software like dpaint, ppaint brilliance, lightwave, good music software like soundstudio, protracker, bars and pipes, good multimedia software like Scala.  This means you can have a lot of fun playing some very playable games and you can create some semi-professional graphics and music and put it all together to play back on your tv or digitize the ouptut on pc as MPEG.  Great for cartoons with sound, and much easier for a home user to do than PC equivalents.

But what i think is crazy is paying 1000's for a tricked-up "high-end Amiga" whose purpose was to basically display 24 bit images, 16 bit sound and mpeg1 quality video, you know stuff that the native chipsets don't offer, but PC hardware is MUCH better at, even 10 year old PC hardware.  Some are curiouys to see os4 but really its about 10 years too late..
 

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Re: Are we became crazy?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 10:13:59 AM »
@stefcep2: Good points... but really, 8-16MB for Lightwave?? Even with 64MB, I still couln't load one scene from LightROM 6,  now with 128MB I can load it, still horribly slow to render...

I wonder, if people would refuse to pay these insane prices, would the average price go down over time?? All I can say is to just Keep an eye out for Amiga's/Amiga hardware wherever, whenever.... ask friends/ememies, etc.

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2008, 10:20:24 AM »
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Are we became crazy?


They set us up the bomb.

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