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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #164 from previous page: October 07, 2012, 06:47:39 PM »
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #165 on: October 07, 2012, 07:32:55 PM »
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #166 on: October 07, 2012, 09:00:47 PM »
"Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???"

Why not? It's deader than dead and has been so for, what, a decade? More? Besides, it's about as useful for browsing the web in 2012 as Lynx is, and even trying to charge money for something like that would be the *real* crime. But again, nobody is even doing that, it's obviously completely abandoned, so I'd say "Go ahead", I don't see any moral obstacles in this whatsoever, and I certainly don't understand why there is a 12 page long thread on the issue...?
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #167 on: October 07, 2012, 10:38:39 PM »
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"Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???"

Why not? It's deader than dead and has been so for, what, a decade? More? Besides, it's about as useful for browsing the web in 2012 as Lynx is, and even trying to charge money for something like that would be the *real* crime. But again, nobody is even doing that, it's obviously completely abandoned, so I'd say "Go ahead", I don't see any moral obstacles in this whatsoever, and I certainly don't understand why there is a 12 page long thread on the issue...?


indeed - who cares... it's dead, most (serious) websites don't work... so why even bother ?

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #168 on: October 07, 2012, 11:27:47 PM »
It would take about 20 minutes to setup a simple website with a paypal but it now button, they could email people keyfiles.

If the guys won't take 20 minutes to do that when people actually want to buy their product...

Then what hope should everyone have for a new improved version?

Start a bounty to improve netsurf 68k instead with your money...
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #169 on: October 07, 2012, 11:57:25 PM »
The key is available all over the place so why bother cracking it?
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #170 on: October 08, 2012, 12:39:50 AM »
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The key is available all over the place so why bother cracking it?


This.  It's not difficult in the least to find a key for IBrowse.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #171 on: October 08, 2012, 03:16:22 AM »
How long does a developer/publisher have to not give a notice of discontinuation before software enters that grey area of Abandonware?
 
Personally I would be inclined to say not to crack it. You never know if the development is in some form of hibernation. However, and i don't condone this either, if someone where to stumble upon the key through some form of search and that key happened to get to the program and it magically worked then I suppose, so long as that person keeps it to themselves and we enever know, it could be alright.
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #172 on: October 08, 2012, 05:09:45 AM »
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if someone where to stumble upon the key through some form of search and that key happened to get to the program and it magically worked then I suppose, so long as that person keeps it to themselves and we enever know, it could be alright.

Should work well for people who want to buy it: Get the key somehow, and pay the cash when it's actually possible to buy the product again.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #173 on: October 08, 2012, 07:17:14 AM »
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The same with MUI3.8, IBrowse no answer.


I registered my copy of MUI in May 2010 and Stefan replied to me in a few days with a key, albeit in another MUI developers name (apparently his A3000 with the key generator program was not working at the time).

I assumed Stefan was still taking registrations for MUI...
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #174 on: October 08, 2012, 08:55:14 AM »
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It would take about 20 minutes to setup a simple website with a paypal but it now button, they could email people keyfiles.

If the guys won't take 20 minutes to do that when people actually want to buy their product...


Could u kindly explain me how one would do this, (not specifically for Ibrowse, just in general for any piece of software) ?


And could I substitute "PayPal" with a more reputable company?
Or does the 20 mins trick only work with PayPal?
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #175 on: October 08, 2012, 09:03:37 AM »
What is a more reputable company than Paypal?
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #176 on: October 08, 2012, 10:19:01 AM »
My intension was not to blame people not reading here, it was just to show that there are still people asking for this software, even if it is in most cases useless.

You can still make money with Amiga software, but you need a long term strategie, it is not possible to make money within a very short time.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #177 on: October 08, 2012, 10:56:16 AM »
Didn't we have a :beatingdeadhorse: emoticon?

The issue is the same as it always were - commercial companies are abandoning the Amiga platform.

From a purely theoretical point of view, cracking the software is useless - spreading a key would be more efficient. Besides, any coding effort would be better aimed at an open-source alternative.

When it comes to spending money, a bounty for a small and fast open-source browser would be better spent. This community needs to realise that open source is the way to go if there's to be any hope of decent up-to-date software at a somewhat reasonable price.
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #178 on: October 08, 2012, 11:17:33 AM »
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Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???


Not really...
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #179 on: October 08, 2012, 11:21:38 AM »
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How long does a developer/publisher have to not give a notice of discontinuation before software enters that grey area of Abandonware?

If your own moral compass is broken and doesn't show these things to you, then I'd say that when a great numbers of years has passed without product being on sale, without development, when the IP owner obviously doesn't care and has simply left the scene many years ago, and all means of communications and support that previously worked does no work since many years (reseller chain, product web page, developers e-mail, etc). Then after many years (is it a decade in this case?) when people (more than a few) independently of each others starts talking about "is it abandonware" because of one or more reasons above, then it probably is. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, chances are it's a duck...


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Personally I would be inclined to say not to crack it. You never know if the development is in some form of hibernation.

The discussion is about v2.4 and nothing else, and this version is not sold and hasn't been sold for years and years. Should they release a v3.0 or something in the future (not very likely at all, I am certain it's pretty solidly abandoned now), then of course you should re-evaluate its features (CSS3? HTML4/XHTML? HTML5? Javascript engine? etc, etc) against its price, and buy that one if you want it and like it. But again, that's not what this discussion was about...

I don't think we'll ever see a viable browser for 68k Amigas with the *essential* features like those I mentioned above. It's completely unrealistic. It will be way too complex and heavy SW for way too limited, under-powered and old HW to handle. It will probably be worse than "Timberwolf" on a Sam440 by a factor of 50 or more, it will be unusable. If you are into retro Amiga (which many people here are), then use it for what it is, i.e. having fun with your museum objects, playing the old games on floppies, using the old apps, etc. Don't expect it to become modern, because it won't. That's why we have the "NG" systems like MorphOS. And on MorphOS you can run the Odyssey browser, which is heavily inspired by how IBrowse looked and functioned. It has all the essential features I mentioned above (it even beats Internet Explorer 9 in both CSS3/HTML5 features and overall performance), on top of that it has all the features you could wish for, and everything completely in the IBrowse style, so I'd dare to say that had IBrowse ever been evolved into a 2012 level browser, it would be pretty close (even an exact match) to what Odyssey is on MorphOS today.

Odyssey is IBrowse done right! :)


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I registered my copy of MUI in May 2010 and Stefan replied to me in a few days with a key

But MUI is anything but dead, it's very much under development, so it can't be compared to Ibrowse in any way...

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« Last Edit: October 08, 2012, 11:26:59 AM by takemehomegrandma »
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