Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???

[recidivist]

 Does owning iBrowse 1.0 entitle/provide unlocking 2.4?

[zipper]

No, but I think you could get a discount.

[Miked]

It really is a shame that Ibrowse 2.4 is not currently available.  I was able to get a copy when it was first released and think it's the best 68k browser available for the Amiga.  If the Ibrowse team is reading this thread then why not let Amigakit distribute the product? I would continue to support any future versions of Ibrowse (68k versions since I do not have Amiga 4.x hardware right now).


Just my two cents:

In addition, I wish CSS was available for any 68k browser.  I tried OWB through Winuae but it needs work, and Merlin is just not up to the task.  This is where I wish my programming skills could help contribute to a CSS capable 68k web browser.  Singular for the Commodore 64 seems to be a great CSS browser... can't we do something for the Amiga?

[utri007]

NETSURF would be css capable browser for 68k amigas.

1. It works just fine with 50% less cpu power than 060
2. Porting would be easy task, makers of OS4 version has said multiple times that they had made OS4 version so that OS3.9/3.5 version should be easy to port. Unsupported OS4 things could simply comment out from source etc.

[AndreasM]

RMK305 wrote:
AmigaKit,

Have you ontacted them and offered to support and distribute the product?

For Octamed have we a publishing contract...

[0amigan0]

 ...
  This is where I wish my programming skills could help contribute to a CSS capable 68k web browser.

@Miked:

You can use your skills to add CSS support to AWeb, which is open source.

[stefcep2]

I am fairly certain that Stefan posted on Amigaworld.net(?) about an OS 4 thread in the past month, so I think it can be said he's still an Amiga developer.  i thought about hijacking the thread and asking about an Ibrowse key, but eventually thought better of it..

[apj]

How about HighWire, Atari CSS capable browser?
http://highwire.atari-users.net/

[LoadWB]

__artur wrote:
How about HighWire, Atari CSS capable browser?
http://highwire.atari-users.net/

They could add insult to injury and show a screen shot of HighWire browsing Amiga.org...

[guest3110]

from Matt_H:

It's a weird dynamic we have in the Amiga market. We have a long history of vaporware announcments, culminating, I think, with Amiga, Inc.'s Executetive Updates in the 2000-2001 period. Eventually even they said that they wouldn't announce anything until it was ready to ship. They've been essentially silent ever since (apart from additional vapor announcements), and I think that others, consciously or not, don't want to be perceived as another Amiga, Inc. (or similar non-delivering entity).

The pendulum's gone too far in the opposite direction, though. We've gone from vapor to nothing and I think that's hurting the "market" just as badly. With no news, it looks like there's no activity and users are ready to throw in the towel, whether that be leaving the platform (as seems to have happened with a lot of Pegasos/MOS users), or declaring a product dead and asking for keyfiles. If I may suggest, no perceptible news leads to no perceptible user interest leads to no developer interest, maybe?

But there is interest, as the occasional, yet lively, IBrowse (and MorphOS2, etc.) threads show.

I think everyone is (or should be) aware that Amiga development isn't sustainable as a primary business and that coding is done on one's own time and therefore takes longer. No problem. I was too harsh with my comments on IBrowse development being slow. Amiga users are patient. They wait. But if it looks like there's nothing to be waiting for, then that's the problem.

Not asking for release dates. Maybe just a semi-annual check-in. What's been worked on, what's still to be done, a screengrab or two (WinUAE is great with these sorts of updates). That's all. And I'm not just talking about IBrowse. Visible activity on any product would help sustain the market (maybe even expand it if some hardware turns up), benefiting users and developers alike.

EDIT: Bottom line: Take pride in your products and let people know they exist!

Exactly! Best post I've seen on this in awhile.  :hat:

[amigadave]

EyeAm wrote:

from Matt_H:

It's a weird dynamic we have in the Amiga market. We have a long history of vaporware announcments, culminating, I think, with Amiga, Inc.'s Executetive Updates in the 2000-2001 period. Eventually even they said that they wouldn't announce anything until it was ready to ship. They've been essentially silent ever since (apart from additional vapor announcements), and I think that others, consciously or not, don't want to be perceived as another Amiga, Inc. (or similar non-delivering entity).

The pendulum's gone too far in the opposite direction, though. We've gone from vapor to nothing and I think that's hurting the "market" just as badly. With no news, it looks like there's no activity and users are ready to throw in the towel, whether that be leaving the platform (as seems to have happened with a lot of Pegasos/MOS users), or declaring a product dead and asking for keyfiles. If I may suggest, no perceptible news leads to no perceptible user interest leads to no developer interest, maybe?

But there is interest, as the occasional, yet lively, IBrowse (and MorphOS2, etc.) threads show.

I think everyone is (or should be) aware that Amiga development isn't sustainable as a primary business and that coding is done on one's own time and therefore takes longer. No problem. I was too harsh with my comments on IBrowse development being slow. Amiga users are patient. They wait. But if it looks like there's nothing to be waiting for, then that's the problem.

Not asking for release dates. Maybe just a semi-annual check-in. What's been worked on, what's still to be done, a screengrab or two (WinUAE is great with these sorts of updates). That's all. And I'm not just talking about IBrowse. Visible activity on any product would help sustain the market (maybe even expand it if some hardware turns up), benefiting users and developers alike.

EDIT: Bottom line: Take pride in your products and let people know they exist!

Exactly! Best post I've seen on this in awhile.  :hat:

I agree totally (well not totally, MorphOS users ARE part of the Amiga community, not people who have left it), very well said Matt. A simple mention that work is continuing would be nice every 3 to 4 months, a detailed list of what is being worked on and what has been completed would be even better.  The lack of effort to set up sales of 2.4 keyfiles after tons of requests and offers to help by AmigaKit and others is just not to be understood by the rest of the Amiga community.

[a-pex]

But we have no news regarding the actual situation?

Nice to have Google, for all who need a key and can not buy it.  :crazy:

[a-pex]

8 days, 1 month & 2 years later!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Empty promises, no changes, no updates...

Oh, something has changed, I closed my order for over 30 copies...

Can not found a word for this!

[Templario]

No, but now there are other free browsers, almost so good as IBrowse, although not all for 68k, that is is pity.

[jj]

The browsers for MOS and AOS4 are massivley better and more advanced the Ibrowse.
 
But as you said for 68k not much choice, though i think Aweb is still being wroked on

[Amiga_Nut]

Whilst I don't condone cracking IBrowse there really is no reason in this time of free domain registration and advertising free website hosting and free paypal e-commerce HTML code for buttons.

1. Register a domain
2. Write a simple website.
3. Stick PayPal buy it now buttons on site
4. When you receive payment reply to purchasers email with a working key

1-3 would take half a day at most and 30 minutes if you don't care how smart your website looks. It's not rocket science, and it's a bit dumb not to do it. Costs you nothing more than 3.7% PayPal commission too, so the only reason is nobody bothered to do this.

Why turn away customers wanting a simple key to activate demo software when you can automate 90% of it and have it out there in the world of commerce for ZERO cost?