Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???

[a-pex]

swift240 wrote:
I fully understand the inpatience here, but hey its the Amiga and its no longer the top dog so letts all take a bit of a breath here.

Impatient? Sorry, but I waited now 1 year!!!!!!!!!! How long have I to wait because it is amiga? 2, 3 years???

Yes a keycrack is an idea or some sort of legal key from them.  BUT is it realy the way to go?

Seems so, they are not interested in selling about 30 legal keyfiles to my amiga users. They are not interested to earn 1500 Euros. They are not answering emails.

Regarding the 3.0 development: When will it be ready, in 2016? The users want NOW a fully working 2.4 version and if the IBrowse team is not interested in selling legal keys, they may have to live with a cracked version or a keygen.

This really a unique situation! I think this is the first time in history that people are asking for a legal version BEFORE cracking it.  :-D  :-D  :-D  

[ironfist]

Huh?!

Wasn't IBrowse 2.4 cracked years ago?

[Sig999]

kreciu wrote:
Do you believe that anybody who us turning Amiga on and off now how to "compile" anything? Do you know how your body/organism respond for a virus infections? O, I forget you are not a doctor of medicine? :-o

I do...

The former, not the latter.

I guess you could know both of them if you did some research....

[Nlandas]

Crack my a**

While I understand the frustration, I wouldn't do anything to interfere with any remaining software developers. When I receive my A4000 from Gary Danko, I'll be actively searching out the remaining AmigaOS 3.X developers and buying as many applications as I can find. If Ibrowse 2.4 is available it'll be one. If not, I'll see what else is available.

I wish I had the time and ability to pour through the Firefox source code but it's too large for me to tackle it.

I can't wait to to email on the Amiga again, I used to love the old email client I used. I'm trying to remember the name - YAM something?

-Nyle

[cv643d]

Is'nt Ibrowse made in Sweden?

Taxes here are brutal. If you are self employeed.

So you get 1500 euro, I think after social payment and taxes you are left with ~800 euro. Then you should split that up between developers. 800 euro might sound much but in business terms, its peanuts. But I can understand frustration of not being able to buy it.

[PulsatingQuasar]

I still think copyright law needs to be changed. If you don't sell your software you have no right to complain when people start copying it or cracking it.

I'm sorry but thats just way too easy. Before I said I would like to see a 2-3 year period transfer time for this but I now think this period should be 6 months.

It's as easy as peas these days with the interwebs and all to sell the software so there just no excuses.

So basically; if IBrowse is being pirated; they called it in upon themselves. And don't give me the 'it's Amiga' crap because thats bollocks.

[Phantom]

There is no excuse about the iBrowse. I wanted to register 2.4 version but where? I want to give my money and they don't want them? How strange... :-D

Anyway, I think to generate new keyfiles are the simplest way not to wait till eternity, to get a registered copy of iBrowse.

It's really sad, about the iBrowse team, that now one whole year they did nothing to fix this problem about the registration. :-o

[TheMagicM]

The way I feel...

If there is a piece of Amiga software I want and I cant buy it, I'll use a crack, copy etc.  Its not my problem its not available, nor am I one to coddle developers.  If they want to make money, its their business to get the software out there to the customers otherwise people will find other means.

[a-pex]

Until NOW no feedback from fautura, no feedback from anyone in the IBrowse team!!!  :angry:  :evil:  :madashell:

It really seems that they are not able or interested to make this deal with 30 keys for germany with me...

This is really nice, ignoring the community until it is dead... starting complaining if a keygen will be avaible.

I really do not understand you!!!

[a-pex]

@fautura
YES, I am a registered user of your datatypes and also of IBrowse 2.4! But regarding IB2.4, there are so many users that never had the chance to buy it... (it was avaible onyl 4 month!!!)

[Framiga]

don't know if you got it but Oliver is NOT the owner of IBrowse.

Is not up to him to decide anything.

[arnljot]

@a-pex

Calm down. No shouting please, we all understand your frustrations and share them. But your behaviour and statements are counter productive.

@Framiga

Okay, I don´t know if you´re right. But when you state who´s not the owner, perhaps you can state who is?

[futaura]

a-pex wrote:
@fautura
YES, I am a registered user of your datatypes and also of IBrowse 2.4! But regarding IB2.4, there are so many users that never had the chance to buy it... (it was avaible onyl 4 month!!!)

From a purely personal point of view, it amazes me that so many new IBrowse users have sprung up since IOSPIRIT stopped supporting the Amiga, given that Amiga is a supposedly dead platform with a shrinking userbase.  I wonder how many of these 30 new users never used IBrowse before 2.4?  I remember huge threads about 2.4 taking so long, and it was well publicised that 2.4 would be a free upgrade to those who bought 2.3 then (and therefore 2.2, 2.1 or 2.0), which as I've said before means that 2.4 keyfiles have effectively been on sale for 10 years (minus the HiSoft->IOSPIRIT transition period), so not only 4 months strictly speaking.

Just makes me wonder really.  And just so that I'm clear, these thoughts have absolutely no effect on the current situation - I am fully in agreement that it needs to be sorted out asap, and for that we need Stefan.

[TjLaZer]

Well I do think that the unavailability of iBrowse 2.4 has made more people want it.  Thats normal.  I had a chance to buy it during those infamous ~4 months but wanted to wait as I did not really have $50+ USD just laying around.  I thought that price was a little steep.  I did end up getting a boxed original copy of iBrowse 2.1 off ebay though.

Overall I think 2.4 is a solid product and an excellent upgrade.  I do hope they start to sell/support it again.

[Sig999]

PulsatingQuasar wrote:
I still think copyright law needs to be changed. If you don't sell your software you have no right to complain when people start copying it or cracking it.

I'm sure there are many companies out there with proprietary software they've paid to have designed that disagree with you.

By this mode of thought I should have access to most of ILM's software to do video compositing in my home... or run a WOW server for $$$.

It's frustrating - but that statement comes from inconvenience.

I don't own Ibrowse, I'd like to.... but if it's not been turned over to the public domain, or the author hasn't said 'copy away! it's free!', I won't touch it.

That's me, but I don't expect many others to follow that route.

That being said - I do find it incredible that someone wanting that quantity can't even get a yes/no answer on the subject... honestly that's just poor buisness.

And lets face it... it's NOT a crapload of effort for him to give them x amount of money and y amount of email addresses and have 30 emails sent back out......

I find that just boggling.

[Nearly-Right]

by futaura on 2008/4/13 12:07:15

Just makes me wonder really. And just so that I'm clear, these thoughts have absolutely no effect on the current situation - I am fully in agreement that it needs to be sorted out asap, and for that we need Stefan.

I just wonder then, seeing that you are one of the developers, and you cannot manage to contact Stefan to resolve this problem, how long will it take for this KEYFILE/DISTRIBUTOR problem to be resolved, nevermind the dreadfully slow release of IB3.x.

There is no way for a normal IB user to contact Stefan as he does not seem to want to take e-mails from his users' questions, as their is no e-mail address publicly available for him to be asked these questions.

I, for one, am grateful to you Oliver for taking the stance where you keep us as informed as you feel you can, and it is all credit to you, it is just a pity you do not have more control over the program release/distribution at this point, and are unfortunately unable to get Stefan to do what needs to be done, for us all.