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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2008, 09:54:29 PM »
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What if they spoke of Amiga?

That would be a completely different matter, of course.
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 11:15:41 PM »
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But it is hard to know if language might be dependent upon the evolution of opposable thumbs, for some reason  :-)

Hmmm true. Thinking about that should keep me occupied for a while!


The problem with something as complex as human evolution, it's hard to know the sequence of everything... language doesn't fossilise so well....

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I can think of many behaviours more rewarding, but none are socially acceptable in many cases.

So we converse at the expense of more pleasurable activities because we are constrained by society to do so...


I sit in a coffee shop and a girl opens a conversation... not really saying much just talking... I think she's rather attractive, and engage her in conversation... in reality I'd rather be pleasuring her in a far more intimate way... We may never get that far, but the small chat we did have would be much more fun than not engaging her at all.

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Maybe that would go some way to explain my single status.

I don't know - you seem quite articulate to me, so either you're an exception to the rule, or your theory doesn't work :-)


Well, perhaps it only helps to find a mate... I may not be physically attractive, have undesirable personality traits and the timing could be wrong. But without the small talk I might never have got as far as I did :-)

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I think you may find answers if you wiki "pit of dispair" :-(

I'm utterly speechless after reading that. Harlow should be posthumously discredited. Absolutely disgusting.


Fortunately experiments like that are not allowed any more. All I can hope is that we can learn from the study, so the animals did not suffer in vain...

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2008, 11:18:02 PM »
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What if they spoke of Amiga?

That would be a completely different matter, of course.


And without the small talk, you may never know if the person had an Amiga interest.

Again this is a social bonding issue. The more we discuss it, the more I am convinced that is it's main role in society!

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2008, 02:46:10 PM »
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The problem with something as complex as human evolution, it's hard to know the sequence of everything... language doesn't fossilise so well....

Well the creation of cave paintings would require symbolic thought and thus constitutes a form of language, and IIRC the hominids which created them were pre-speech. Grasping some tool to draw on the cave wall would probably require an opposable thumb, so my guess would be that the opposable thumb allowed drawing which cultivated symbolic thought, which then became the predominant form of language. Speech developed subsequently as a more efficient and flexible means of communication.

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I sit in a coffee shop and a girl opens a conversation... not really saying much just talking... I think she's rather attractive, and engage her in conversation... in reality I'd rather be pleasuring her in a far more intimate way... We may never get that far, but the small chat we did have would be much more fun than not engaging her at all.

Sounds like you're using language to coerce women in to some kind of seedy rendezvous. Not a bad use of skill of language if you look at it from an evolutionary perspective ;-)

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Well, perhaps it only helps to find a mate... I may not be physically attractive, have undesirable personality traits and the timing could be wrong.

Who says?

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But without the small talk I might never have got as far as I did :-)

Well I agree it would be pretty unusual to pull without even talking to your intended partner. Not that I have much experience in that area :roll:

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Fortunately experiments like that are not allowed any more. All I can hope is that we can learn from the study, so the animals did not suffer in vain...

Yeah, like how to totally screw up monkey :madashell:

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2008, 03:25:55 PM »
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The problem with something as complex as human evolution, it's hard to know the sequence of everything... language doesn't fossilise so well....

Well the creation of cave paintings would require symbolic thought and thus constitutes a form of language, and IIRC the hominids which created them were pre-speech.


They might have been pre-speech... I don't know enough about early human evolution to really speak with any authority.

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Grasping some tool to draw on the cave wall would probably require an opposable thumb, so my guess would be that the opposable thumb allowed drawing which cultivated symbolic thought, which then became the predominant form of language. Speech developed subsequently as a more efficient and flexible means of communication.


I certainly like that idea! :-) A seemingly unrealted topic, that is very related is the "World Simualtion" model of thought... Wiki "False Awakening"  for more info.

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I sit in a coffee shop and a girl opens a conversation... not really saying much just talking... I think she's rather attractive, and engage her in conversation... in reality I'd rather be pleasuring her in a far more intimate way... We may never get that far, but the small chat we did have would be much more fun than not engaging her at all.

Sounds like you're using language to coerce women in to some kind of seedy rendezvous. Not a bad use of skill of language if you look at it from an evolutionary perspective ;-)


That was just one example. Imagine I was with a friend/person I was not sexually attracted to, but still wanted to maintain a relationship with... Then I can't really think of a better way to keep the bonding than talking :-)

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Well, perhaps it only helps to find a mate... I may not be physically attractive, have undesirable personality traits and the timing could be wrong.

Who says?


The potential mate who has decided that I am not suitable.

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But without the small talk I might never have got as far as I did :-)

Well I agree it would be pretty unusual to pull without even talking to your intended partner.


Not that unusual if you are in a band... but that is the an unusual situation I guess :lol:

Yeah, seriously... I think though this is a side track of the topic... Small talk is probably just a social activity that maintains bonds.

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Not that I have much experience in that area :roll:


The implication of this line, is that you often pull without talking to your target :-)

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Fortunately experiments like that are not allowed any more. All I can hope is that we can learn from the study, so the animals did not suffer in vain...

Yeah, like how to totally screw up monkey :madashell:


Well... yeah that too...

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2008, 04:09:27 PM »
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I have become interested in the reasons why people engage in superfluous conversation. I don't mean communicating with others with some intent, such as sharing or requesting information, rather "small-talk".


I don't know. What I do know is that I do a lot less of it at the moment and I think it's certainly contributory in part to my current moodiness.
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2008, 04:11:41 PM »
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I have become interested in the reasons why people engage in superfluous conversation. I don't mean communicating with others with some intent, such as sharing or requesting information, rather "small-talk".


I don't know. What I do know is that I do a lot less of it at the moment and I think it's certainly contributory in part to my current moodiness.


Which is the symptom, which is the cause?

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2008, 04:20:12 PM »
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Which is the symptom, which is the cause?


I think it's a symptom but it has a feedback effect and thus contributes to the cause.
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2008, 04:24:07 PM »
Daft as it may sound, I'm actually making myself take some time to post here in order to counter this very problem...
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2008, 04:25:45 PM »
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Daft as it may sound, I'm actually making myself take some time to post here in order to counter this very problem...


A.org therapy? Wayne should charge...

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2008, 04:27:01 PM »
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Daft as it may sound, I'm actually making myself take some time to post here in order to counter this very problem...


A.org therapy? Wayne should charge...


As long as it isn't per post...
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2008, 04:31:54 PM »
*sigh*

Pity Fluffy, Kenny, Meerschaum etc aren't here these days. Fun banter was guarenteed :-)

Still, it's good to see that some old faces remain :-)
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2008, 04:40:35 PM »
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*sigh*

Pity Fluffy, Kenny, Meerschaum etc aren't here these days. Fun banter was guarenteed :-)

Still, it's good to see that some old faces remain :-)


Just a look down the top posters list brings back some memories!

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2008, 04:44:15 PM »
I wonder what Kenny's post count would be if he were still around :roflmao:
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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2008, 04:47:35 PM »
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I wonder what Kenny's extrapolated post count would be if he were still around :roflmao:


Should be quite easy to work out! But I'm not going to... I spent enough time figuring out that stupid Paula calibration file :-)

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Re: Why do you converse?
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 29, 2008, 04:50:17 PM »
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*sigh*

Pity Fluffy, Kenny, Meerschaum etc aren't here these days. Fun banter was guarenteed :-)

Still, it's good to see that some old faces remain :-)
Fluffy's still veeeery regularly on Whyzzat...
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