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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2003, 03:33:06 PM »
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That's right I asked a really stupid question. Frankly I trust the official AOS4 feature list like I trust Charlie Mansons defence speech...

And why is that?
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Do you know how many times the Official features of AOS4.0 have changed?

They have?  Since the featurelist?  Or are we talking about silly things Amiga Inc have said?

 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2003, 03:45:36 PM »
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Ok, ok. It was a bit harsh. Sorry. No hard feelings, ok?


Ok, my question was a bit lame....  :-)


I've removed the DHCP question from the main list

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2003, 03:52:25 PM »
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They have? Since the featurelist? Or are we talking about silly things Amiga Inc have said?


I think you're right, I am thinking of the stupid A Inc. lists not the actual Hyperion information.



Mental note to self: Never trust anything you read on the A Inc. website...


P.S. To answer your question Mike:

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That's right I asked a really stupid question. Frankly I trust the official AOS4 feature list like I trust Charlie Mansons defence speech...


And why is that?


The answer is, becasue they are both written by Mad men... :lol:

anyway, enough of this. Back to Hyperion

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2003, 04:24:28 PM »
ok , olegil..then i agree..

bloodline: what do u have problems with? , the os4 feature list ??? , well lets put it like this , what u see there is what u get simple as that , also amiwest presentation shows whats done and whats not (1->5 items not done...)

Whats up with all the hate!
 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2003, 04:50:45 PM »
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bloodline: what do u have problems with? , the os4 feature list ??? , well lets put it like this , what u see there is what u get simple as that , also amiwest presentation shows whats done and whats not (1->5 items not done...)


what problems do I have? I was looking at the Amiga Inc. feature list and not the Hyperion one.

There is no more problem, since I have found what Hyperion expect to have in their final OS4.0

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2003, 06:50:14 PM »
Hello
What about my question on the future of AmigaOne
and AmigaOS, if Amiga Inc goes under or someone
buy Amiga Inc and buried it?
(Similar to Palm takeover of BeOS).
(I hope the new owner is NOT APPLE)
What happen if Eyetech and Hyperion no longer
have the right to develop and market new products
related to AmigaOS 4 or OS for running AmigaOS 4
applications?
What happen if the new owner sue Genesi and try
to stop their MorphOS and Pegasos boards?
 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2003, 06:51:58 PM »
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meerschaum wrote:
here is my question... very simple...


A1 is a board... since this board is bieng used to build systems how will they (keeping the users best intrests in mind) make sure the VAR's/Resellers meet the standerds they have set down for AmigaOS itself.

'how do you plan to handle standerds of quality assurance for re-sellers/var's/etc?' ... it should be a simple question to answer... and I'd like to hear 'THEM" answer it...


Since Eyetech is the only producer of A1 boards.  They are responsible for QA.  But...


IIRC, Eytech has contracted with a QA firm in Taiwan to test all boards before shipping them out to Eyetech and/or OEM vendor.

As to pre-built end-user systems by A1 OEM vendors being 'guaranteed' to work with AmigaOS.  If you're talking about peripheral components (i.e. video cards, sound cards, SCSI cards, etc., etc), then end users need to make sure that all such components math the Hardware Compatibility List for AOS4 (which has not been officially posted).  On the other hand, if you're asking about burn-in testing for each system.  Unless AI/Eyetech/Hyperion have special terms in the AOS OEM license, I'd venture to guess that that's up to each OEM.  Given the fact that each OEM is required to have a decent service and support infrastructure; even if they are lax in their burn-in procedures; they are responsible for any QA issues related to end-user systems...

So, I think this is pretty much a non-issue.  Unless you have a more specific question about the QA procedures in place by Eyetech that is.


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Attention all trolls!!!  Before you start in on my opening statement.  I realize that Eyetech are using a reference design from MAI.  And I acknoledge the fact that a Taiwanese sub-contractor is actually manufacturing the boards.  But Eyetech is financing the lot of it.  So IMHO, Eyetech is worthy of the monicker "producer".
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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2003, 06:58:26 PM »
quote]Unless otherwise explicitly stated, this message is not meant to affirm nor deny, defend nor offend any faction within the 'Amiga' Community.[/quote]

I feel denied and offended already!! :lol:

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2003, 07:11:25 PM »
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bloodline wrote:

I feel denied and offended already!! :lol:


Hmm...  I'm sorry to hear that bloodline.  Is there something I can do to make my sig more neutral. :huh::idea::roll::-P;-):lol:
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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2003, 07:17:14 PM »
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I don't think there's anything Amiga Inc definitely own that's worth buying, certainly not for their problems right now :-)

As I understand it, Hyperion were given the rights to continue to develop AmigaOS as they saw fit.  I'd guess that same goes for Eyetech and the AmigaOne.
 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2003, 07:19:41 PM »
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Hmm... I'm sorry to hear that bloodline. Is there something I can do to make my sig more neutral.


How about a Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back quote, the one where their replying to their critics on a website?  Actually no, that would conflict with the posting guidelines quite badly :-)
 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2003, 07:26:50 PM »
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mikeymike wrote:

How about a Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back quote, the one where their replying to their critics on a website?  Actually no, that would conflict with the posting guidelines quite badly :-)


8-)

True.  And censoring that quote would defeat the purpose of using it in the first place...  ;-)
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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2003, 07:39:25 PM »
Unless you use how the quote was referenced by the reporter later in the film :-)
 

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2003, 03:06:17 AM »
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I don't know...  I like the original better. :-P  ;-)
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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2003, 06:03:39 AM »
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Thats not a bad game, but I prefer Atomica

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Re: Interview questions discussion thread
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 06, 2003, 02:32:15 PM »
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mikeymike wrote:

The purpose of the "dongle" (AFAIK some code in the BIOS of the A1 that OS4 detects and allows itself to be installed/run) is for a number of reasons, take your pick:

 * The smaller the number of configurations that OS4 can be installed on, the less development and testing work that needs to be done.


Which of course is not a relevant reason, and IMO a ridiculous excuse.
You don't need market restrictions and licensing requirements placed on third party hardware to decide what hardware that your software will run on, nor to simply state to your potential customers what hardware that your software is compatible with. Hardware X in its "normally" sold form is identical to Hardware X when/if it's sold under another trademark license.


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 OS4 isn't likely to set the world alight, so it makes perfect business sense to get as large a return on as small amount as possible.


It's apparently been decided that there should only be an as small as possible amount to get a return from. I.e. the return on AmigaOS can only come from the few people who are prepared to buy a Teron via Eyetech (or other licensed hardware sold by other licensees - yeah, right...), plus a bunch of Amiga owners with CS-PPCs.


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 * Presumably Eyetech and Hyperion have or will have some kind of partnership, and as there's more money in selling hardware than software, both companies can have their fingers in both pies.


I don't think that anyone, not anyone who's said anything "officially" at least, would claim that there's more money to be made from hardware than from software. Larger gross income per unit, yes it's possible (at least when we're discussing consumer hw/sw), but not as a general rule to build a business plan upon.

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If Eyetech/Hyperion decide to go with a completely different chipset and say the G5 in future, then Hyperion will develop the OS to cater for that as well.


That "Eyetech/Hyperion" pair is a problem. Whether there's a licensee for the hardware in question should be irrelevant for development decisions IMO. If there is a willing licensee, then great, but that should not be the stumbling block. I think the question should simply be "is a port technically and commercially feasible?" That should cover it, just as it always has for most software publishers.

Replace "[whatever hardware trademark licensee]/Hyperion" above with "Hyperion or third party driver developers", and we're set. It'd be nice if "Amiga, Inc." would fit in there too, by actually having a solid vision, set goals, some common sense and some interest in the future of AmigaOS, but everything we've seen from them seems to be shortsighted haphazardly concocted schemes to rake in some small but quick cash from very small or no efforts/investments/products (licensing fees, distribution deals, club memberships/pre-payments).
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