Amiga Card PPC developing

[Nlandas]

So how do we get motion? 100 for each card to be manufactured is not a bad price point, if it's real. Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though? I know, depending on the markup, I want one. If they keep it real close to the manufacturer cost, I'll take two.

-Nyle

[bloodline]

Nlandas wrote:
 Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though?

-Nyle

-Edit- I'm not sure if I got my message across... hang on...

[persia]

Well, only 49,998 more to go...

Hey I'm a glass is 0.004% full rather than a glass is 99.996% empty guy!

[Damion]

Sticking with PPC, wouldn't you want something along the lines of a Pegasos/etc rather than an expensive custom card which requires interfacing with a 25 year old A3K motherboard?? What's the difference between porting OS4 to run on a new board for classic HW, and porting it to run on something more modern/standalone? Wouldn't the latter be more desireable?

You'd still have to disable the thing on bootup to run old chip-bangning software, anyway.

If the point is just to have a sweet vintage setup w/PPC (novelty factor), it might make more sense. (I'm ready to dump $$$ for an A2K turbocard, as soon as I find one... some would call that ridiculous). But 50,000? Between 1 and 2 thousand _at best_ is probably a better estimate... all IMHO.

[persia]

There is a personal computer available right now, cheap and in abundant supply that would provide enough machines for everyone to have an OS4 machine in every room of their house, including bathrooms and toilets, and not affect the price one euro.

[Boot_WB]

persia wrote:
Well, only 49,998 more to go...

Hey I'm a glass is 0.004% full rather than a glass is 99.996% empty guy!

Actually, it was 500 boards, so that is quite a reachable target imho.

[amiga_3k]

Setting up a bounty on this would be an idea ;-). That way you can test how much cards could be sold. If the €50.000,-- is not reached, tha actual collected amount of money could be re-distributed into other projects that could make live on the Amiga a tad easier again ;-).

[Framiga]

Nlandas wrote:
So how do we get motion? 100 for each card to be manufactured is not a bad price point, if it's real. Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though? I know, depending on the markup, I want one. If they keep it real close to the manufacturer cost, I'll take two.

-Nyle

are you joking!

Do you really think thats a new PPC card will costs 100 Eur each? (to the "customers")

My estimate price for a small batch would be around 1000Eur each (if we are lucky)

[Nlandas]

Nlandas wrote:
So how do we get motion? 100 for each card to be manufactured is not a bad price point, if it's real. Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though? I know, depending on the markup, I want one. If they keep it real close to the manufacturer cost, I'll take two.

-Nyle

Very funny guys. You got me. I meant $50,000 in pre-orders. I was rushed and didn't type what the old cranium was thinking.

I would think that 500 units would be doable. I want two so that's 498 left for you.

Yes, I'd rather have a new board to run OS4 but for now, I'm happy with an A4000 with PPC and a mode promoting, video card. I'm short the PPC and the video card.

-Nyle

[Nlandas]

Framiga wrote:

Nlandas wrote:
So how do we get motion? 100 for each card to be manufactured is not a bad price point, if it's real. Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though? I know, depending on the markup, I want one. If they keep it real close to the manufacturer cost, I'll take two.

-Nyle

are you joking!

Do you really think thats a new PPC card will costs 100 Eur each? (to the "customers")

My estimate price for a small batch would be around 1000Eur each (if we are lucky)

Now come on - I didn't say they'd cost 100 Eur to the customers. I said it was 100 for each card to be manufactured and depending on the markup, I'd take two.

The guy who translated it, if he got it right, said that they wanted $50,000 Eur for 500 boards. When I plug that into Calc it's 100 Eur to manufacture.  If they even make it up to 250 Eur that's over double the profit and a price that I could afford.

Now there hasn't been any movement on it but I was just curious how many of us would buy a new PPC board for say 250 EUR? If it's 500 between us and other sites and if the original discussion is valid, that's more impetus for them to build the boards.

-Nyle

[Piru]

I would think the 50keur would be just to design and produce a working product.

That'd still be quite cheap IMO.

Considering the probably low production runs the final product target price would be high, too. And this before even considering issues such as profit to make the effort worthwhile in the first place.

This is the reason why there are no new ppc accelerators.

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Nlandas wrote:

Framiga wrote:

Nlandas wrote:
So how do we get motion? 100 for each card to be manufactured is not a bad price point, if it's real. Can anyone get 50,000 pre-orders though? I know, depending on the markup, I want one. If they keep it real close to the manufacturer cost, I'll take two.

-Nyle

are you joking!

Do you really think thats a new PPC card will costs 100 Eur each? (to the "customers")

My estimate price for a small batch would be around 1000Eur each (if we are lucky)

Now come on - I didn't say they'd cost 100 Eur to the customers. I said it was 100 for each card to be manufactured and depending on the markup, I'd take two.

The guy who translated it, if he got it right, said that they wanted $50,000 Eur for 500 boards. When I plug that into Calc it's 100 Eur to manufacture.  If they even make it up to 250 Eur that's over double the profit and a price that I could afford.

Now there hasn't been any movement on it but I was just curious how many of us would buy a new PPC board for say 250 EUR? If it's 500 between us and other sites and if the original discussion is valid, that's more impetus for them to build the boards.

-Nyle

As -D- has stated, it's a lot of money for a card that has to interface with 15 to 20 year old hardware... just to run an OS which doesn't actually need the old hardware and in fact would be better off without it...

A much better idea is pick up a ready made PPC platform and spend the money either porting the aforementioned OS to the ready made platform... or writing a VM to run the OS hosted in a more modern OS...

That €50000 would be much better spent on adding BlizzPPC emulation to UAE (with a nice fast PPC JIT for x86 hardware, and a nice VM on PPC hardware).

[Framiga]

Piru wrote:
I would think the 50keur would be just to design and produce a working product.

That'd still be quite cheap IMO.

Considering the probably low production runs the final product traget price would be high, too.

This is the reason why there are no new ppc accelerators.

if i got it right .... 50KEur is to design and to product a working prototype ... am i right?

[Piru]

Who knows. I don't speak german. But I have serious doubts anyone could do it for less. Also, since I've watched couple of these hw projects from the sidelines I have some idea of the effort and money involved.

[Framiga]

anyway about 1000 Eur was the price of the last batch of CSPPC with 060 produced by DCE so, hardly it would be less than that.

"Also, since I've watched couple of these hw projects from the sidelines I have some idea of the effort and money involved."

absolutely! the whole PowerUP project is (IMHO) unique in its genre and deserves it.

[amiga_3k]

€ 50.000,-- is quite a steal. It means you can have one person working at it for maximum 6 months. That's what he/she will cost in wages and other work-taxes. If you want something of a prototype thrown in as well, the design should be done within a month or four... by a single person!

So, that seems only doable if:
a) The person has done Amiga PPC boards in the past.
or
b) They have been working on it in their spare-time allready and are looking for a quick buck ;-).
or
c) Developing a PPC board for classic Amiga is extremely simple ;-)

Pick your option, or add to it :-D