Looking for advice on which web language to use

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I guess you know how to program object oriented?

Yes. When I wrote my GP2X GridWars clone that was all object oriented (C++).

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
And you have learned about software design patterns?

I know what they are, but I have never used one. I don't like the idea of trying to make my game fit in to a template.

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
When you can you know it won't be much of a problem :-)

Depends on whether I can understand the pattern :lol:

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moto

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
And you have learned about software design patterns?

I know what they are, but I have never used one. I don't like the idea of trying to make my game fit in to a template.

It's not template based, it's making use of ways to program. Ways which already have been thought out by experienced programmers.
Like the pattern Model-View-Controller

[motorollin]

OIC. I would be interested to see how an online game communicates with the back-end and keeps synchronised. Any ideas when I can get information on design patterns for things like this?

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moto

[motorollin]

Hmm, I wonder if this would be any better than JavaScript:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX

"A primary characteristic is the increased responsiveness and interactivity of web pages achieved by exchanging small amounts of data with the server "behind the scenes" so that entire web pages do not have to be reloaded each time there is a need to fetch data from the server."

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moto

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
OIC. I would be interested to see how an online game communicates with the back-end and keeps synchronised. Any ideas when I can get information on design patterns for things like this?

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moto

I'd use (and have used) a threaded method in combination with observer/observable implementation.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if this would be any better than JavaScript:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX

"A primary characteristic is the increased responsiveness and interactivity of web pages achieved by exchanging small amounts of data with the server "behind the scenes" so that entire web pages do not have to be reloaded each time there is a need to fetch data from the server."

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moto

But then I think Java is more common than Ajax.
Not sure though...Hm, well, it seems to be so.

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I'd use (and have used) a threaded method in combination with observer/observable implementation.

It's really the establishment of a connection between the client and the server and exchanging information between them which I am unsure about.

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moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if this would be any better than JavaScript:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX

"A primary characteristic is the increased responsiveness and interactivity of web pages achieved by exchanging small amounts of data with the server "behind the scenes" so that entire web pages do not have to be reloaded each time there is a need to fetch data from the server."

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moto

Yes AJAX would be perfect for this application... and the Logic language behind AJAX is JavaScript... That's where the J in AJAX comes from... Trust me, despite my ineptitude with German girls, I'm rarely wrong :-)


Anyway, don't you have some music homework to be doing? ;-)

[motorollin]

bloodline wrote:
Anyway, don't you have some music homework to be doing? ;-)

Yes sir.... ;-)
Though if I'm honest, I'm a bit demotivated in that area at the moment :-(

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moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Anyway, don't you have some music homework to be doing? ;-)

Yes sir.... ;-)

Hahahahahha

Though if I'm honest, I'm a bit demotivated in that area at the moment :-(

I quite understand, I remember a great phrase... Professional means doing what you usually enjoy even when you don't want to...

Though by that token... I'm pretty musch a professional at every thing I do :-D

[motorollin]

That's a good quote - so true! The problem is that your advice and suggestions have given me a lot to live up to! And unfortunately when I know something is going to be difficult or beyond my (current) abilities, I tend to lose motivation and give up prematurely. I've always been an underachiever... :roll:

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moto

[bloodline]

motorollin wrote:
That's a good quote - so true! The problem is that your advice and suggestions have given me a lot to live up to! And unfortunately when I know something is going to be difficult or beyond my (current) abilities, I tend to lose motivation and give up prematurely. I've always been an underachiever... :roll:

I can assure you, there is nothing that I have suggested which is beyond your abilities... you just need to devote some time to it. Set aside an hour tomorrow with your keyboard and sequencer and have a bit of a play... even if your first efforts sound a bit forced, that's good because you know you are doing it right, then you just need to develop that! :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Actually, Bloodline, what are you so much against Java?

[bloodline]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Actually, Bloodline, what are you so much against Java?

Very good question! The answer is manifold... And as such would take ages to explain... but I can summarise... I think it's inefficient, the problems that the original specification tried to solve don't exist any more and as such the focus is wrong. It tried to be between a VM and an Operating system... which makes it not very good at either... The Java VMs use a lot of CPU time... The JITs generate very slow code... When running Java on mobile devices, the battery life is severely reduced. Java is an ecosystem in it's own right... it keeps itself from the host system. Java Byte Code is not well suited to modern computer system, I think in the the last decade or so a better ByteCode could be developed... Hell 68K code running on Bernie's UAE JIT is more efficient!

For the purpose of Internet, JavaScript is much better... Though the DOM is a bit of a mess... fortunately, HTML 5 should fix all the problems :-)

[motorollin]

bloodline wrote:
I can assure you, there is nothing that I have suggested which is beyond your abilities...

Hmm, ok if you say so :-)

bloodline wrote:
you just need to devote some time to it. Set aside an hour tomorrow with your keyboard and sequencer and have a bit of a play... even if your first efforts sound a bit forced, that's good because you know you are doing it right, then you just need to develop that! :-)

I actually have something in mind for a synth bass part, including the instrument. But you said it's best not to focus on sounds yet. Am I allowed to make an exception in this case? :-) And if I do my music homework, can I play with AJAX please? ;-)

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moto

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bloodline wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

For the purpose of Internet, JavaScript is much better... Though the DOM is a bit of a mess... fortunately, HTML 5 should fix all the problems :-)

I've seen first hand that the above simply isn't true in many cases.  HTML 5's jam tomorrow is not really a convincing argument, especially when the track record of the major player's adoption of internet standards is so dire.