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It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« on: February 18, 2008, 02:47:28 PM »
Toshiba loses face but saves money in DVD defeat
Reuters Monday February 18 2008
By Mayumi Negishi

TOKYO, Feb 18 (Reuters) - Japan's Toshiba Corp will have to swallow its pride, exiting from its DVD war with Sony, but analysts say it's a smart move to cut its losses now rather than later.
By pulling the plug, Toshiba will be able to save some $450 million in the year to March 2009 that would have otherwise be spent on sales promotion and restructuring costs of its HD DVD business.
"The potential losses are small compared to the savings," said Goldman Sachs analyst Ikuo Matsuhashi. "Nobody wants this format war to drag on."
Matsuhashi reckons Toshiba could chalk up a 10 billion yen ($93 million) loss to unload excess inventory and scrap assembly lines.
Toshiba shares jumped 5.7 percent on Monday after a company source told Reuters on Sunday Toshiba would concede defeat to the rival Blu-ray format, led by Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co
The movie industry blames the format war, which triggered memories of obsolete Betamax players that lost out to the VHS videotape format, for confusing shoppers and slowing sales of high-definition DVDs.
SWIFT EXIT
The move could also mark an end to Toshiba's dreams to become a consumer electronics star, said an official at Toshiba.
Toshiba has said it wants to make home electronics a generator of growth along with microchips and nuclear power.
"Sony is hip, Panasonic tries, but Toshiba stays geeky," said the company official, who spoke on condition that his name was not used. "We learned that we need to work on marketing, but will we get more chances to do that? I don't know."
Toshiba's exit could be swift, given the small volume of production for its HD DVD players and recorders, said JP Morgan analyst Yoshiharu Izumi.
Toshiba has agreements with studios including NBC Universal's Universal Pictures, Viacom Inc's Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc to support HD-DVD.
But a defection last month by Time Warner Inc's Warner Bros studio to Blu-ray tipped the balance and prompted U.S. retailers to follow, such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc, Best Buy Co Inc and online video rental company Netflix Inc
Blu-ray supporters include News Corp's 20th Century Fox, Walt Disney Co and Lions Gate Entertainment Corp Sony's PlayStation 3 game console also plays Blu-ray films.
A DROP IN THE OCEAN
Toshiba, which began sales of HD DVD players in March 2006, has sold 1 million units of its HD DVD players and recorders worldwide, including sales of drives for Microsoft Corp's XBox 360 game console.
That is a drop in the ocean for the world's No.2 maker of NAND flash memory, which also makes nuclear power turbines, elevators and washing machines -- but those are all products without consumer star power.
Toshiba doesn't need powerful brands to sell flash memory, which earns half its profits, or in nuclear power, said Atul Goyal, senior research analyst at CLSA.
"If Toshiba decides to exit (HD DVDs), it will be a sound decision," he said. "Very few companies are able to generate any profit from this kind of business on a sustainable basis."
Toshiba's digital products segment, which includes its Regza TVs, Dynabook notebooks and Gigabeat digital audio player, comprised 40 percent of the electronics group's sales last business year, but earned only 6 percent of profits.
That may all be true, but it would still be a wrench to see those businesses marginalised, said the Toshiba official.
"It's the closing of a door." ($1=107.85 Yen)
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 02:50:46 PM »
I bet Sony covered some of the losses of Toshiba to have them pull out ... They recently had another deal where toshiba bought the rights to manufacture the CELL. or something like that ...


btw, what does this have to do with the amiga ?
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 03:00:50 PM »
@countzero

Amiga can use CD/HD/DVD... so these news will affect us
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2008, 03:13:44 PM »
you know, I can't even imagine connecting a blueray to my amiga, let alone find 50 gb of data to fill it with :)
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 03:16:53 PM »
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you know, I can't even imagine connecting a blueray to my amiga, let alone find 50 gb of data to fill it with :)


But we can dream, can't we?  ;-)
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 03:35:48 PM »
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you know, I can't even imagine connecting a blueray to my amiga, let alone find 50 gb of data to fill it with :)


I can, on both counts.

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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 03:36:43 PM »
Moving this to the Coffee House Sci-tech forum guys.

Great news, just not Amiga-related.

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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 08:05:07 PM »
I kinda expected this.  And if one format had to win, then from a technical point of view I'm glad it's Blue Ray... Despite how much I may dislike Sony.

Though I expect this to be the last of the Optical disk format... It might get a capacity upgrade, but SSD's (or some other storeage medium) should take over in the next few years.

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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 08:16:24 PM »
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you know, I can't even imagine connecting a blueray to my amiga, let alone find 50 gb of data to fill it with :)
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 12:55:03 AM »
I am glad that at last M$ lost at *something*. If you read about it, the whole issue started with M$ not wanting to use Java but insisting on their own proprietary crap, that's how the Blu/HD formats split.

It's a bit too late to change anything, but for once a superior format has triumphed...
 

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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 01:11:09 AM »
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I am glad that at last M$ lost at *something*. If you read about it, the whole issue started with M$ not wanting to use Java but insisting on their own proprietary crap, that's how the Blu/HD formats split.



While I totally agree about how good it is that M$ have got shafted... I actually prefer their interactive content system over the Java one... If you look at the HDi System it's based on ECMA script and XML... which I think is superior to the Java based VM system that the BlueRay guys went with...

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 04:06:27 PM »
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I am glad that at last M$ lost at *something*. If you read about it, the whole issue started with M$ not wanting to use Java but insisting on their own proprietary crap, that's how the Blu/HD formats split.



While I totally agree about how good it is that M$ have got shafted... I actually prefer their interactive content system over the Java one... If you look at the HDi System it's based on ECMA script and XML... which I think is superior to the Java based VM system that the BlueRay guys went with...


Superior in what way? It's easier to create content with HD-DVD's scripting system, but Java is more powerful. Disney, in particular, loved this, as including extras such as games really fits in well with the kind of movies they make.

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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 05:06:10 PM »
Is Java more powerful? What advantage does it offer over ECMA Script?

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 05:34:41 PM »
Ehm, Java has a complete 'Virtual Machine'? And, java is partially compiled (or completely, if one uses a java chip which often can be found in cell phones)
I mean, it's a complete fourth generation programming language, while such a scripting language can barely called a third generation language (if it can be called a programming language at all).
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Re: It's official Blu-Ray wins!
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 05:51:53 PM »
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Ehm, Java has a complete 'Virtual Machine'? And, java is partially compiled (or completely, if one uses a java chip which often can be found in cell phones)


ECMA Script is provided with well documented and powerful API's (libraries and toolkits ), it's more widely used and runs on more platforms... JIT compilers also exist for it...

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I mean, it's a complete fourth generation programming language, while such a scripting language can barely called a third generation language (if it can be called a programming language at all).


Might be an idea to google ECMAScript before commenting....