HDToolbox SCSI hard drive configuration help needed

[Dropcheck]

Hi everyone,

    I am trying to setup a Quantum SCSI drive.  I am using HDToolbox WB 2.1, but it is unable to read the drive configuration.  

    What info I have found on the drive is

    Model Quantum Prodrive ELS 170S

    Heads                         4
    Disks                         2
    Sectors per track            17
    Bytes per sector            512
    Track Density(tpi)         1800
    Formatted Capacity  170,818,560

  I get the heads part duh... but how does this translate to #Cylinders, blocks per cylinder, blocks per track, reduced write current cylinder and precomp write cylinder?  :-?

[AMC258]

Odd that it didn't work..

Why didn't they give you #cylinders?  That's the most important.  You really don't have enough information to figure it out, unless you know what format means "formatted", or how many inches of used surface there is....

In this case, if 512 bytes is one block, then there is one block per sector, and 17 sectors per track, so, 17 blocks per track.  4 tracks = 1 cylinder, so 68 blocks per cylinder.

[rkauer]

 Did you try hdinst from aminet?

[Thomas]

Formatted Capacity 170,818,560

Assuming that it is a 170 MB drive then this is probably the capacity in bytes which means that the drive has 333,630 blocks of 512 bytes each.

Now you can choose the heads/sectors/cylinders as you like as long as the result of multiplying heads by sectors and cylinders does not exeed 333,630.

For example 10 heads, 9 sectors and 3707 cylinders are possible values.

Bye,
Thomas

[banzai]

Before we all start whipping out our sliderules here, let's back up a moment to clarify something:

Are you able to read the drive's info, but incorrectly, or are you not even seeing the drive?

You see, the only Amiga that has an actual SCSI port built-in is the A3000, and the only add-on SCSI controllers that will use the default scsi.device are made by Commodore (A2091, etc.). HDToolbox uses the scsi.device as default. If you're using a GVP, then you need to change the icon's .info to reflect this (change "scsi.device" to "gvpscsi.device").

So, what I'm saying here is could we have more info on what this drive is being plugged into and how it's set for ID and termination?

banzai
(I use a Pickett AF-2, myself!)

[scuzzb494]

Hi

I have a specially edited 'info ' file for reading SCSI drives. Just edited the HDToolbox 'info' icon so that it picked up the SCSI drive. Always worth checking the info icon with DOPUS cus they do get edited.

scuzz

[Dropcheck]

Hi,

   Sorry.  I am using GVP HC+8 Series II w/8 meg ram.  I have HDToolbox type set to SCSI_DRIVE_NAME = gvpscsi.device.

   HDToolbox is seeing the drive, but won't read the drive info when I try to set the drive type.  ID is 2 and is the only drive on the card.

   I have set Cylinders = 4800, Heads = 4, Blocks per track = 17, Blocks per cylinder = 68 for a size of 163166k.

   Then I select ok to exit the set drive type screen and try to save changes to drive.  An error message comes up saying error 45 on write. :-?

[Thomas]

Error 45 means "status and/or sense error". Either your SCSI bus is not terminated correctly or jumpers are not set correctly or the drive simply does not work, either because it's incompatible or because it is damaged or dead.

Bye,
Thomas

[scuzzb494]

Hi

Is that the 2000 or 4000 version. Also do you have the manual and the FAAASTPREP disk.. May help.

[ quote Ye Olde Big Book ]


A full length Zorro II scsi card which contains 8 x 30pin SIMM slots for up tp 8MB of additional RAM. The card also gas enough space to mount a hard drive directly onto the card. The card was often supplied with a SCSI hard drive, usually a 52MB Quantum.

RAM Configuration

The SIMMs are inserted from CN10 onwards and must be done in increments of 2MB, therefore 0, 2, 4, 6, 8MB are the only possible RAM configurations.

RAM Jumpers
Memory SIMM Locations J5 J6 J7 J8 J9
0MB NONE OFF OFF ON OFF ON
2MB CN10-CN11 OFF ON OFF OFF ON
4MB CN10-CN13 ON OFF OFF OFF ON
6MB CN10-CN15 OFF OFF ON ON OFF
8MB CN10-CN17 OFF ON OFF ON OFF


Connectors
Connector Function
J4 Hard Drive Autobooting
J10-J12 SCSI ID Jumpers
CN1 LED Connector
U3 Autoboot EEPROM
CN2 50pin SCSI Connector

[ link to my site which may get cut ]

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/a_scuzz_jul2005/a_scuzz_jul30_186.jpg

My info on my SCSI HDToolbox reads

SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=1230scsi.device [ your is the gvp ]
SCSI_MAX_ADDRESS=6
SCSI_MAX_LUN=7
XT_NAME=XT

Not that that will probably help

My SCSI drive's off the Blizzard SCSI Kit are
Address Units 2 and 4.

Sadly I have one of your cards in an A2000
that doesn`t work. Though I do have one
working in an A4000 and I have a ZIP drive
plugged into the back also. Seem to recall
I did have problems getting the drive to
spin up on odd occasions. Have you tried
leaving it for a while ( real longshot )
Can you see the partitions, can you verify
the drive, can you rename the drive...

scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com

[Amiga4k]

Here are the drive specs.

http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-drives-hdd/quantum/PRODRIVE-ELS-170-S-170MB-3-5-SL-SCSI2-SE.html


If you decide to trash the drive, PM me first. I could use the terminator SIPPS.

[Kernel]

Did you try hdinst from aminet?

Old thread, I know, but a Google search lead me to it and now the Quantum ST 4320S that I just picked up on ebay is formatting away on my A3K... THANKS!

[Thomas]

is formatting

Use Quick, not Format. Format does not do much for harddrives anyway, it just needs a lot of time and produces nothing but hot air.

[Kernel]

I'll remember that for next time - thanks!