PPC vs x86 speed/performance comparions?

[downix]

pyrre wrote:
Sparc on Wikipedia.

As a result of SPARC International, the SPARC architecture is fully open and non-proprietary.

Implementations of the SPARC architecture were initially designed and used for Sun's Sun-4 workstation and server systems, replacing their earlier Sun-3 systems based on the Motorola 68000 family of processors.

Is there any chance of the sparc (any version of it) running Amiga OS as well???

Would be an easy job (I've gotten parts of AROS running w/o any real programming skill) especially if one were to use the migration toolchain Sun developed back when they introduced the Sun-4, especially as the Amiga's OS was built on the Sun-3 to begin with!

[Piru]

@downix

Would be an easy job  especially if one were to use the migration toolchain Sun developed back when they introduced the Sun-4

You obviously would need the source code to do that. It won't happen.

[StormLord]

The P4 is pretty lame... The G5 will be at least as fast if not quite a bit faster... If you had an Athlon64 or a CoreDuo then they would piss all over the G5

CoreDuo yes its faster but...

Athlon64??? maybe you mean the AthlonX2 ??

because my brother has an Athlon64FX@3200Mhz and I have a DUAL1.5Ghz G4 and I am 2 times faster in almost everything....
ofcourse athlon is running WinXP64 and I'm running OSX, but I don't think that an OS can make such a difference anyway...

EDIT: I think in INTEGER mulithreaded operations we must be at about the same speed, but in video encodings like H.264 and renderings I'm about 2x faster..
maybe thats because of 4 altivec units that my machine has..(2 altivecs per cpu)

[pyrre]

Would be an easy job (I've gotten parts of AROS running w/o any real programming skill) especially if one were to use the migration toolchain Sun developed back when they introduced the Sun-4, especially as the Amiga's OS was built on the Sun-3 to begin with!

Cool it would be insane running amiga os on a sun platform, however... expensive...

[dammy]

$207 for a year old revision, riiiight.Quote:

When I linked that page, it was under $200 with shipping. Prices go up and down a couple of dollars, but it was under $200 and you never specify how old the series had to be.

Dammy

[dammy]

EDIT: I think in INTEGER mulithreaded operations we must be at about the same speed, but in video encodings like H.264 and renderings I'm about 2x faster..
maybe thats because of 4 altivec units that my machine has..(2 altivecs per cpu)

What video cards are you using in the two machines?

Dammy

[Piru]

@dammy

What video cards are you using in the two machines?

What gfxcard has to do with H.264 encoding or renderings?

[StormLord]

What video cards are you using in the two machines?

Dammy

Actually I use an Ati X850XT and my brother a miserable Nvidia 5200FX
but renderings have nothing to do with graphic cards!!!
well in preview mode or realtime FXs preview like some from imovie yes. but exporting to dvix,H.264 or any other format has NOTHING to do with GFX cards..

[dammy]

@dammy
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    What video cards are you using in the two machines?


What gfxcard has to do with H.264 encoding or renderings?

Oh SOOOOOOOOO sorry that I ASKED a question. :roll:

Dammy

[dammy]

Actually I use an Ati X850XT and my brother a miserable Nvidia 5200FXActually I use an Ati X850XT and my brother a miserable Nvidia 5200FX
but renderings have nothing to do with graphic cards!!!
well in preview mode or realtime FXs preview like some from imovie yes. but exporting to dvix,H.264 or any other format has NOTHING to do with GFX cards..
but renderings have nothing to do with graphic cards!!!
well in preview mode or realtime FXs preview like some from imovie yes. but exporting to dvix,H.264 or any other format has NOTHING to do with GFX cards..

Ah, thanks.

Dammy

[Piru]

@dammy

Oh SOOOOOOOOO sorry that I ASKED a question.

Oh please.

[Piru]

@StormLord

I think in INTEGER mulithreaded operations we must be at about the same speed, but in video encodings like H.264 and renderings I'm about 2x faster..
maybe thats because of 4 altivec units that my machine has..(2 altivecs per cpu)

That's it, most likely. AltiVec (especially in 7447/8) is still better than vector units in x86 class machines. Dual G4 is pretty formidable with sw that has good altivec support. The more CPU bound the task is, the better G4 and altivec does (that is G4 doesn't have ultrafast frontside bus and altivec can easily get starved, x86 are tons faster with highly memory intensive tasks).

[bloodline]

Well, I have both a Athlon64 3200 (Which I think is 2.2Ghz) and a PPC 7447A (ie a 1.5Ghz G4 in my old Mac)... I can confirm that the G4 is about as half as fast in every operation as the Athlon64. Which is what one would expect. Pretty much all my tests are based on using Logic Pro...

If someone has any cross platform benchmarking tools they would like me to run, I would be happy to and will publish the results. (I also have a 3Ghz P4 as well)

The 2.4Ghz Core2Duo in my MacBook Pro... out classes all of those other machines!

[downix]

Piru wrote:
@downix

Would be an easy job  especially if one were to use the migration toolchain Sun developed back when they introduced the Sun-4

You obviously would need the source code to do that. It won't happen.

Well, quite obviously.  AInc or Hyperion own that, and neither one seem inclined for such a move.  Their choice, of course.

[downix]

pyrre wrote:

Would be an easy job (I've gotten parts of AROS running w/o any real programming skill) especially if one were to use the migration toolchain Sun developed back when they introduced the Sun-4, especially as the Amiga's OS was built on the Sun-3 to begin with!

Cool it would be insane running amiga os on a sun platform, however... expensive...

How so?  SPARC's are licenseable, and have multiple vendors.  Don't like Suns pricing, go to TI, Fuji, Geisler, even Freescale has a license to produce them.

[downix]

Piru wrote:
@StormLord

I think in INTEGER mulithreaded operations we must be at about the same speed, but in video encodings like H.264 and renderings I'm about 2x faster..
maybe thats because of 4 altivec units that my machine has..(2 altivecs per cpu)

That's it, most likely. AltiVec (especially in 7447/8) is still better than vector units in x86 class machines. Dual G4 is pretty formidable with sw that has good altivec support. The more CPU bound the task is, the better G4 and altivec does (that is G4 doesn't have ultrafast frontside bus and altivec can easily get starved, x86 are tons faster with highly memory intensive tasks).

I always found the PowerPC's FSB always the achilees heel of the design.  It always came down to CPU-bound tasks vs non-CPU-bound tasks for performance.  If I were PPC's controlling execs a few years back, I'd have worked with AMD to bring Hypertransport to the PowerPC, with an integrated DDR RAM controller, similar to how the early Opterons worked.  but, opportunities missed leaves new ones ahead, right?