Installing Amiga OS 3.5 - without pre-install of OS 3.1

[Nlandas]

Is there any way to install OS 3.5 on my A4000D without having to have 3.1 installed with a CDFS of some sort in it? I see that the manual describes the process to create a "rescue" floppy that will allow you to install OS 3.5 just by booting off the rescue floppy.

Why in the world didn't they include a rescue floppy by default - can anyone just create me one? :-? It's not the full OS and requires that I have the CDROM of OS 3.5 so it's not like I'm asking someone to pirate me anything. (At least the way I understand it. Correct me if I'm wrong.) :crazy:

Anyone willing to help - I'll pay shipping and for the DD disk.    

[twizzle]

 the OS3.5 emergency disc does not work (never has)
 
 im afraid that you will have to install OS3.1 first.

[Matt_H]

3.5 itself installs on top of 3.1, which is included on the CD.

So you don't necessarily need to have 3.1 installed to start with. It just needs to be on the drive before 3.5. You could conceivably make a boot floppy that would mount CD0: and then install 3.1 from there.

[Caius]

I'm guessing that his problem is that he doesn't have the WB3.1 disks to begin with, thus being unable to access the CD from the Amiga?

Last time I had a similar problem I was lucky enough to have some old coverdisk with NComm, so I could transfer what I needed over the serial port.

[Thomas]

The emergency disk cannot be included, because it has to be customised for your special hardware. Everytime you change your hardware configuration you have to create a new emergency disk.

Regarding your problem, if your Amiga has a CD-ROM drive, you also have drivers for it. It does not make any sense to connect a CD-ROM drive to your Amiga without having drivers for it.

Having said this, OS3.5 is an upgrade, not a full OS. You need a running OS with CD-ROM drivers to install OS3.5. This does not necessarily need to be 3.1, even 2.0 will do, as long as you have CD-ROM drivers.

You can use the demo version of IDEfix97 from Aminet to mount the CD drive until OS3.5 has been installed.

Bye,
Thomas

[Nlandas]

Thomas wrote:

The emergency disk cannot be included, because it has to be customised for your special hardware. Everytime you change your hardware configuration you have to create a new emergency disk.

Regarding your problem, if your Amiga has a CD-ROM drive, you also have drivers for it. It does not make any sense to connect a CD-ROM drive to your Amiga without having drivers for it.

You can use the demo version of IDEfix97 from Aminet to mount the CD drive until OS3.5 has been installed.

Bye,
Thomas

Hi Thomas,

Ok, well my A4000 doesn't have Internet access. I don't have AmigaOS 3.1 disks for it and while I have about 20 CDROM drives, I don't have a CDFS for them. My ASIM CDFS disk went bad. So, somehow, I've got to get AmigaOS 3.1 onto the drive and IDEfix97 onto it

Since AmigaOS 3.5 includes all of AmigaOS 3.1 on the disk - I do own 3.1 but I don't have it on Amiga formatted floppy.

I guess I'm stuck buying AmigaOS 3.1 for another $30? Wow. I'll figure this out somehow.

-Nyle

[Nlandas]

Caius wrote:
I'm guessing that his problem is that he doesn't have the WB3.1 disks to begin with, thus being unable to access the CD from the Amiga?

Last time I had a similar problem I was lucky enough to have some old coverdisk with NComm, so I could transfer what I needed over the serial port.

Thanks Caius,

You hit the nail on the head.

I guess, I'll have to use my A1200 to install OS 3.0 onto a hard drive and move it over to my A4000 while it still have the 3.0 roms. Then buy a copy of some CDFS on floppy from somwhere so that I can get access to a CDROM to copy OS 3.1 onto the drive.

Then put in the new roms, boot OS 3.1 and finally install AmigaOS 3.5 from the CDROM.

I love Amiga but wow have I been off the scene too long.

[Caius]

Do you have CrossDOS on one of your WB3.0 disks, and do you have a PC? Perhaps you could copy the CD filesystem over to the Amiga that way?

[Flashlab]

If you have a HD in your Amiga that you can connect to a PC you can use it in UAE and install the OS that way. You can also download the cd drivers and a cd filesystem and put that on your hd that way.

[Caius]

Yeah, Flashlab's solution is even better. ;-)

[DoogUK]

take a4000s hard disk and plug it into pc, copy over contents of os3.5 cdrom, plug it back into amiga and boot.....then install

[kranich-ba]

if you don't have a set of workbench disks, this could be one solution.

If you have WB3.0 disk set, you can use these to install a workbench on your A4k. You can use crossdos (pc0:) to access pc formated disk to tranfer a cdrom file system. After installing set device to scsi.device unit 1 for slave cdrom. Now your cdrom should work!

should even work with wb2x quite similar

[Nlandas]

Flashlab wrote:
If you have a HD in your Amiga that you can connect to a PC you can use it in UAE and install the OS that way. You can also download the cd drivers and a cd filesystem and put that on your hd that way.

That's a neat idea - so I can get UAE up and use it to partition, format and install WB 3.1 onto a blank hard drive and then move that over to my Amiga 4000 and have it recognize and boot from it.

That's a good option.

[Flashlab]

Yes you can. Search this forum for more info on it. It has been discussed here before.

Basically you connect your HD to your PC. Add the drive in the Winuae configuration window. You may need to disable the harddisk safety check (it's in the docs I guess and also discussed on this forum). Then you can access the drive from within the emulation. When you want to use HDToolbox you may need to change the ToolType in the icon to point to the correct device driver (it's not scsi.device but something else; I guess it's in the docs or somewhere on this forum).

You can then just install WB3.1 and swap the drive back to your Amiga.

[A4000_Mad]

E-mail sent with OS3.5 Emergency-Disk as an ADF file :-)

I created it using an A4000 with hard drive set as master on 1st IDE position and CDrom set as slave on 2nd IDE lead position. So you'll need to duplicate this setup.

I've just used the Emergency-Disk and OS3.5 CD to install OS3.1 and then OS3.5 to what was an empty HDD in another A4000 :pint: