MorphOS for AmigaONE

[olegil]

@downix:

Thanks for that insult.

Now go back and read my posting again. The problem is THERE IS NO WORKING OPENFIRMWARE IMPLEMENTATION _AS FAR AS I KNOW_ THAT SUPPORTS THE AMIGAONE WITH A 686B SOUTHBRIDGE.

Thanks for playing, but you'll need to insert more coins.

The problem is then that YOU CAN'T REFLASH THE AMIGAONE WITH THE TERON OF BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BOOT, HENCE IT WON'T BOOT MOS EITHER.

Got it now? I didn't think so.

[olegil]

@Warface:

I think Frodon means that since HE doesn't like to have a GUI, _I_ shouldn't be allowed to type "menu" if I want to move IRQs or change the boot arguments or something. Quite normal in the Amiga "community". See it all the time.

"We don't want configurable options, we want MY preferred settings burned into the ROM!!!"

Yep, that's the attitude ;-)

[Warface]

olegil wrote:
@Warface:

I think Frodon means that since HE doesn't like to have a GUI, _I_ shouldn't be allowed to type "menu" if I want to move IRQs or change the boot arguments or something. Quite normal in the Amiga "community". See it all the time.

"We don't want configurable options, we want MY preferred settings burned into the ROM!!!"

Yep, that's the attitude ;-)

At first I think that was Frodon's own opinion. Maybe he likes OF better because he uses that. And you like UBoot better because you use that.

In my opinion (as an Amiga user) VGA character screens suxx. I'd like to haveAmiga like graphical GUI's - but I bet it's a dream given the circumstances, just like having a custom graphic chip architecture.

[amigamad]

I wonder something else too, i will put to all PPC linux ppl....do you like it? I mean did you plan to go OS 4 only at first, but now you suspect you'll be dual booting, even after OS 4?

no i wont be dual booting my a1 it has debian linux installed but ppc linux is crap compared to x86 distros with nvidia drivers. :-D

i would like morphos on my a1 instead of linux but i will get a pegasos some time later on.Im sure someone will work  out how to do it without bios flashing. :-D

[amigamad]

but don't expect the MOS team to do it - they're always far too busy.

I know they are there  in more forums than any other hardware supplier. :-D

[amigamad]

Ok, where are you getting this information, because it's 180 degrees off of the information I have. Genesi is the group that has offered Hyperion the docs, even a free board, for getting AOS4 onto the Pegasos. Hyperion is the group that has flatly refused cooperation.

From what i remeber they did it in a forum and not directly by contacting hyperion . :-?

[amigamad]

What broad desire would that be, when Amiga Future's "Which Compustersystem you use?"-poll indicates that there are twice as many Pegasos's than there are AmigaOnes when 2170 votes have been casted? At least, I'd imagine exactly those proud A1 owners would be the first ones in line to vote for it.

but that site is german i cant read much german and it is not a well known site besides amigaones are all over the country not just germany. :-?

[downix]

@amigamad

Actually they tried to contact Hyperion privately at first, but to no responce.  As a last resort, they brought it to public, so as to say "hey, at least we tried."

[amigamad]

Actually they tried to contact Hyperion privately at first, but to no responce. As a last resort, they brought it to public, so as to say "hey, at least we tried."

So they say cant have tried very hard. :-o

[downix]

@HyperionMP

Rather than fight you Ben, I decided on instead focusing on our different viewpoints.

If Open Firmware is proprietory, then so is: PCI, AGP, USB, Firewire, AC97

As they all obey the same rules as open firmware:  establish a standard that allows any company to make their product able to work within the standard.  

In fact, that is what defines a standard.

But, if you'd like a clarification that will halt this arguement:

SmartFirmware is a proprietory piece of software on the Pegasos motherboard that follows the Open Firmware standard, enabling it to configure the system, add expantion cards and even boot up OS's in accordance with the Open Firmware specification and is guaranteed by the Open Firmware standards group.

uBoot is an open source piece of software on the AmigaONE motherboard that has no standards body behind it, thereby not guaranteeing it to work with any product, peripheral card, expantion port nor even an OS thereby making the implimentation on the AmigaONE proprietory to the AmigaONE.

Unless, of course, Hyperion is willing to guarantee uBoot will do the same things Open Firmware's trade association does, namely state that any firmware that follows the defined spec will work exactly how the spec details.  If you'd like to set up a trade association for uBoot, a friend of mine does this for a living and I'd be more than happy to pass along his contact information to you.

In the end, as with all things, it depends on your point of view.  I view things in terms of how they communicate.  Now, I might be wrong here, but you appear to view them in terms of ownership.  Neither viewpoint is invalid, but they don't see eye to eye either.

[downix]

@amigamad

They didn't try hard with any OS group.  They e-mailed NewOS, some BSD'ers, the OpenBeOS group, some Linux guys... no problems with any of them.  Why would Genesi offer more to yet another OS group than they did for the majority?  Is Hyperion special in some way?

[Hooligan_DCS]

@AmigaMad

but that site is german i cant read much german and it is not a well known site besides amigaones are all over the country not just germany.
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can't find your logic here. I am from Finland, non-german aswell. I have studied german only for a couple years, its like hebrew to me.

Since when the majority of Pegasos's been in german either?

It is not a well known site, I think I wrote something like "just for an example" earlier, plus my comment was a bit off topic anyway.

[zacman]

>but that site is german i cant read much german
>and it is not a well known site besides amigaones
>are all over the country not just germany.

1. There is an "english" translation for the poll.
2. The Poll has been announced on various non
German websites, like amiga.org or ann.lu
3. Not every Pegasos owner is from Germany
4. Germany has most probably still the majority of
Amiga users.

[olegil]

@downix et al:

I notice noone is answering my question about what OF you would reflash the AmigaOne with. I want to see this, you know...

[Hooligan_DCS]

by olegil on 2003/7/23 19:41:21

@downix et al:

I notice noone is answering my question about what OF you would reflash the AmigaOne with. I want to see this, you know...

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From ann.lu:
Posted by Olegil (x.x.x.x) on 23-Jul-2003 16:27:03
"Personally, I choose NOT to repeat my opinion more than strictly necessary, because I know that if I hear someones opinion too many times I will start to ignore it."
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Thats being ignored, mate ;-)

[uncharted]

Neko wrote:
@Whoever asked why Ben has to go to Paris:

You really think we don't want to talk to him about the project he's about to undertake, and possibly demonstrate other systems and solutions for him?

And exactly how many of the other OS developers have had to do this?  If AmigaOS 4 is "just another OS" why this special treatment? I think the answer is obvious.

He could run away and take the board to Thomas and Hans-Joerg and have it working on his own if he wanted to, but you'd really rather like to talk to the hardware designers, right?

Then why go to Paris?  BPlan are in Germany.  Surely as the hardware designers are in Germany and the AmigaOS developers in charge of the HAL/Kernal/firmware are also in Germany, then it would make sense to meet in, um Germany rather than both parties travelling to France.