MorphOS for AmigaONE

[Warface]

Again, you should know, shouldn't you?

Nothing against you personally, but I'm pretty fed up with "answers" like that. This comes from all triarchy "officials" to serious questions. Something progressive instead?

[Casper]

@Joanna

Well.. Somehow I don't belive Eyetech could (or even want to) suddenly slash their prices in about a half of what they are now selling. There is so much excess baggage on Aone pricing (deals with Hyperion, Ainc, Mai etc..) that they can't compete on pricing.

I don't know wether or not they'd be able to undercut Genesi. My point was that as long as MorphOS doesn't run on the AmigaONE it is not possible for Eyetech to "steal" MorphOS customers by undercutting the price of the Pegasos. If they port MorphOS to the A1 they would open themselves to this possibiliy.

I also think there's so much bad blood between the two "factions" now so MorphOS for A1 would be like a sign of defeat for them now.

Hmm? defeat of who? Please explain this one a bit, cause it was quite oracular  (oracle like)

I'm sorry for being a bit unclear with that statement.

What I meant was that, as you said yourself, there's been a lot of mudslinging going on  between Genesi/MorphOS on one side and Eyetech/AInc/Eyetech on the other side. So if either one of them were to agree to a MorphOS port (or a port of OS4 for that matter) on the other side's terms would be like admitting what they have previously said was basically wrong (i.e. admitting defeat).



 

[ksk]

would it be too bad idea for Genesi to sell MorphOS latest version -0.1 for AmigaOne users for $299... I think some would buy it rather than use Linux on their boxes...  

[Damion]

ah 'the dongle'

amigaguy wrote:

no licence required

Licence or whatever you want to call it... I thought the problem was that Genesi doesn't want to Agree to the Dongle thing.  They want OS4 to run on their board, but won't aggree to put the dongle thing on their hardware.

Nor should they,  Apple doesn't modify their hardware
or apply for licenses when Raven ports Quake to their
systems...

OS4 would be good for both Hyperion and Genesi.  

Agreed.

Both sides probably know this.  But if Genesis isn't going to Uphold the Copy Protection Scheme for OS4 then why should Hyperion port it?

It's the developers duty to ensure security on whichever
existing platform they develop for, not the opposite.

What if Hyperion had used a Serial Number Scheme instead of a Dongle Scheme for their "Method of Copy Proctection" ??

This probably would have been much better...conversely,
A-Inc could develop/contract and fund a hardware dongle
for the Peg if software protection was somehow deemed
inadequate (like a serial number).

As I 'myself' see this, only "the duo" loose by not exposing
their product to broader markets...(this BTW is completely
and entirely my OPINION 'only' and may/may not be
actually true).

[Casper]

@KennyR

As JoannaK said, that's a pretty oracular statement to make at this time, Casper. You don't know how good OS4 is or how it compares to MorphOS. There is already a huge gulf in their developments and OS4 won't run on an A1 for God knows how long. It may be that in the actual end users will actively beg for MOS, regardless of Genesi's stance. Better than linux for months, anyway.

My inability to express myself clearly seem to have caused a few people to interpret my statement in a way I didn't intend to, and I appologise for that.

See my reply to JoannaK above  where I try to explain what I actually tried to say.  :-)

[Warface]

As things are now (rather different from the situation even months or years ago):

- AFAIK Amiga Inc is short on money
- there are already Pegasos machines out there, demanding a motherboard modification is ridiculous

Question is:

As the return of the cost of an USB dongle for each copy and the cost of development can be guaranteed with a preorder scheme (involving no money untill the product is ready) (at least as methinks), is it a possible alternative?

Some reaction from those involved? Or prepayment is essential?

[olegil]

Reality check:
You can't just reflash the AmigaOne to OpenFirmware, you need to write the OpenFirmware first.

Case closed.

[Crumb]

@downix:
"Only eyetech's choice to use a proprietory bootROM system rather than an industry standard firmware is preventing MorphOS from running on the AmigaONE, so I understand. "
Afaik U-Boot is GPL and supports other cpus too (like ARM)

[olegil]

Also, it isn't Eyetechs choice to use U-Boot, it's MAI. I can't believe the amount of misonformation people are using as fact these days.

[anarchic_teapot]

-D- wrote:

Nor should they,  Apple doesn't modify their hardware
or apply for licenses when Raven ports Quake to their systems...

Why in the name of sanity are you equating an proprietary Operating System with an open source game ? (with Quake, only the data is proprietary, or so it would appear)

[anarchic_teapot]

@Rogue

Love the avatar!

[Damion]

>Why in the name of sanity

Well let's pretend for a second that Quake
is closed, and then make the same analogy...or
pick a different game or other software and
plug it in the comparison instead. :-)

-edit-
Whoops...it appears that ID sells Quake(3) for
the Mac and not Raven, my mistake.  

[HyperionMP]

Jeezus Nate, you are particularly ill-informed for somebody working at Genesi.

U-Boot is a GPL'ed open-source project, not a proprietary product at all.

If anything is proprietary, it's Openfirmware.

[anarchic_teapot]

-D- wrote:
>Why in the name of sanity

Well let's pretend for a second that Quake
is closed, and then make the same analogy...or
pick a different game or other software and
plug it in the comparison instead. :-)

Great idea! And while we're at it we can pretend that the moon is made of green cheese and discuss the effects this will have on the sales of Gorgonzola.

Furrfu

[HyperionMP]

I should also add that we NEVER received an offer from Genesi to obtain the full documentation of the Pegasos hardware including chipsets and firmware documentation.

Idiotic offers to come and pick up the hardware in Paris aside, this is exactly what is needed to even contemplate a port of OS 4 to the Pegasos I.

No hardware modifications are required incidentally, just access to the firmware.

Having said that, given the fact that there are at best only 600 Pegasos I machines out there and far fewer actually sold, it's hardly worth the effort.

The Pegasos I is a discontinued product which has no future and a permanently fixed userbase.

[Warface]

/me waves! :-)

Hello! Instead of blaming the users for their not-so-well-informedness, some answers to my questions? :-)