MorphOS for AmigaONE

[Gaidheal]

@Marktime:

Rude?  Matter of opinion.

Illiterate? LOL LOL LOL I actually choked laughing at this one.. nuff said  :-D

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Gaidheal wrote:
@Xeron:

Vote of confidence for AROS noted, I am sure Matt would be pleased to see someone say it too :¬)

Aye :-)

I too hope that we can have all three to play with. My dream would be for each one to implement features which cause the other ones to improve, thus creating a massive improvemnt cycle!!!!

Nothing drives improvments faster than competition... except maybe money, but there's not a lot of that floating around the Amiga Comunity.

[Kent]

This is an excellent idea!  If Pegasos boards aren't going to have OS4 on them any time in the distant future, why not allow the AmigaOne systems to run MorphOS so people can do a real side by side comparison of the two paths.  One problem though, by the time MorphOS is finished for marketing purposes, it would be all for not as OS4 is pending release.  Personally I can't see MorphOS as a finished product until Ambient is running as it should.  That's my view on it though, take it as you will.

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[Lando]

The problem is that if OS4 is available for Pegasos then Eyetech is out of business.  Nobody is going to pay almost twice the money for (in my opinion) inferior hardware to do the same job.  For this reason there is no way that you will "officially" see OS4 on the Pegasos.  Unofficially, of course, is a different matter.  

The only reason people are buying A1's is that they want to run OS4.  Take away that reason and its bye bye Eyetech.

[Lando]

because I dont think they know where the bugs are in the Artica based systems

Of course they know where they are or else they wouldn't have been able to tell Mai how to fix them, or known how to create the April fix to bypass the problems.

[Casper]

Since they don't make any money from MorphOS I don't think they see it as worth the effort and cost to do it. I don't think they gain much by it, it would only open them up to more competition from the A1 since they now run the same OS (Eyetech could potentially steal pegasos/morphos customers by undercutting their prices).  

I also think there's so much bad blood between the two "factions" now so MorphOS for A1 would be like a sign of defeat for them now.

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Casper wrote:

I also think there's so much bad blood between the two "factions" now so MorphOS for A1 would be like a sign of defeat for them now.

Defeat or Wake Up Call?

[BADHead]

i for one would like to see morphOS on Amiga.I think
it might benefit Genesi and a lot of new users would
be able to get the feel for the OS.Having used Amigas
for quite some years and somthing iam familiar with.
To make the change i really would like to see it in
action and iam not willing to spend money on a pegasos .with MorphOS being free which is a major + in my book   :-) but then again Genesi could be shooting
them self in the foot because there be no need to buy
a pegasos.Did i hear somewhere they where porting
it to Apple Mac -look nice on an IMac

[Warface]

Eyetech and Hyperion have to pay license fees + expenses, while Genesi only has to deal with expenses. Money wise Genesi is the winner, however Eyetech and Hyperion has a name, which cannot be underestimated.

I see both OS-es only slighly different solutions of the same goal.

There are some questions though.

If it wasn't for AmigaOS4, would anyone purchase the AmigaONE just because the Amiga name? I doubt that. Eyetech depends on Hyperion not to make AmigaOS4 available for the Pegasos.

Having AmigaOS4 and MorphOS available on both platform with the current pricing - someone is deep in the water. Why all this won't happen? It's because Amiga Inc - to whom (I presume) a major part of license fees go.

Concerning MorphOS we have to face 2 important facts (both sides): circumstances given, in case of an agreement, it could have been _the_ new AmigaOS. That is one important fact to note. The other, not less important fact to note is: regardless of that, it isn't.

Having MorphOS for the AmigaONE means more MorphOS users, and less Pegasos users. Pegasos sales mean money to Genesi. Free MorphOS sales are not.

The only way I see it as a viable solution: having a commercial version of MorphOS available for AmigaONE owners for a specified price. (Something close to OS4 prices)

One question remains though - will it be enough compensation for them being generous and sharing their product (the major selling point for the Pegasos) with the "other" side?

Genesi is majorly a hardware company. The question is almost the same as for Eyetech - (putting Amiga Inc aside for a moment) - would Eyetech agree with having a commercial version of OS4 available for the Pegasos? I doubt that.

I am not CEO of any of the entities above. So reality check may show the problem can be solved - or not, we will see.

Sorry for the long post and my english :-)

[KennyR]

Sorry for your English?? You write better than most native English speakers do. :-)

[kgrach]

I agree MorphOS should be made for the AmigaOne.
Not as a free product of course but as a software solution. Price the CDROM at about a hundred bucks or so.


I also think Genesi missed the boat by not licensing AmigaOS for the Pegasos boards. Hyperion does not really care who they make the OS for. They just want to sell copies of the OS.
They have stated repeatedly a willingness to develope for the Pegasos board.
Bill Buck just needs to trank dart Frank.  And talk to Hyperion. Hyperion would just need some infomation on the Specifics of the Pegasos BootROM and any hardware or Timing differences from the AmigaOnes hardware.
If there is concern about helping Eyetech they could write the HAL for Hyperion. But seeing how the Pegasos II board uses diferent hardware that should not be a great concern to Genesi.

I know a bunch of people who would have gladly purchased a Pegasos board if it had the ability to run AmigaOS or at least the prospect of being able to purchase AmigaOS for it some time in the future.

[Gaidheal]

Same as Kenny, I had no trouble with your English, Warface.  I think you have a solid grasp of the realities too... but as you say, things can soon change :¬)

edit:  removed typo which made my English look a LOT worse than Warface's LOL

[downix]

@BADHead

Isn't the Amiga1200 and Amiga4000 enough for MorphOS to run on for Amigas?

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kgrach wrote:
I agree MorphOS should be made for the AmigaOne.
Not as a free product of course but as a software solution. Price the CDROM at about a hundred bucks or so.


I also think Genesi missed the boat by not licensing AmigaOS for the Pegasos boards. Hyperion does not really care who they make the OS for. They just want to sell copies of the OS.
They have stated repeatedly a willingness to develope for the Pegasos board.
Bill Buck just needs to trank dart Frank.  And talk to Hyperion. Hyperion would just need some infomation on the Specifics of the Pegasos BootROM and any hardware or Timing differences from the AmigaOnes hardware.
If there is concern about helping Eyetech they could write the HAL for Hyperion. But seeing how the Pegasos II board uses diferent hardware that should not be a great concern to Genesi.

I know a bunch of people who would have gladly purchased a Pegasos board if it had the ability to run AmigaOS or at least the prospect of being able to purchase AmigaOS for it some time in the future.

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Do you seriously think that it is the Genesi who are holding up the porting of AOS4 to the Peg?!?!

Genesi have tried very hard to have as many OS's on their platform as possible (including providing generous support). Hyperion are the ones who call the shots with AOS4 and they decide the licencing deals...  :-o

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@kgrach

Ok, where are you getting this information, because it's 180 degrees off of the information I have.  Genesi is the group that has offered Hyperion the docs, even a free board, for getting AOS4 onto the Pegasos.  Hyperion is the group that has flatly refused cooperation.

[Warface]

I also think Genesi missed the boat by not licensing AmigaOS for the Pegasos boards. Hyperion does not really care who they make the OS for. They just want to sell copies of the OS.

I recall some troubles with the HW protection scheme (and exclusivity?) and some other maybe.

However, given the circumstances changed (Amiga Inc is in desperate need of income), if say dynamic piece USB dongled agreement can be reached with Amiga Inc/Hyperion and payment can be arranged so, that Genesi only pays after sold OS4 copies, and the license fee could be included in the "OS4 for Pegasos" price.... Now that'd be a solution.

Or even better, leaving Genesi partly out of the business: what about Hyperion setting a number, the number of guaranteed sales they'd develop a Pegasos version for. Then either Genesi or a 3rd person organizing a preorder campaign, with no money involved untill the Pegasos version of OS4 is available, yet guaranteeing the sales when it will be available.

That way only those users (sufficient or not) will be involved who would like to have OS4 as one of the many operating systems on their Pegasos. No ridiculous hassle and prepayment for Genesi, fix income for Hyperion for a little work (modification of the HAL)

Any objections to that from either parties? I bet, unless the number is intentionally irrational, it can be met.