Is Eyetech pirating the A1200 Magic Pack software?

[GGS]

mikeymike:

You are absolutely right. How do we find the way ?

seer wrote:
It'scommon practice in the develpment biz to take code you have written yourself home with you from work. I know I have on many an occasian and most of my colleagues have too. Then when you go work at another firm, you can just plug it in to whatever app you are working on if you need similar functionality.

Does that make me and 99.9% of coders world wide pirates?


Wouldn't that depend a bit on the contract you have with your current employer ? I can't work for another company in the same "field" for a year if I quit mu current job for example..

Really?  That's sh!t, and most likely illegal under EU law also.

[seer]

Really? That's sh!t, and most likely illegal under EU law also.

I think you're  right, but I never looked into it much only know what's in my contract and that some others with a similar contract did go to work for another company in the same field....

But as I have access to every bit of data in the company except personell data, I guess they are afraid that when I leave I could do some serious damage (Well, don't have to leave for that, I can do damage now if I want to.. )

seer wrote:
Really? That's sh!t, and most likely illegal under EU law also.

I think you're  right, but I never looked into it much only know what's in my contract and that some others with a similar contract did go to work for another company in the same field....

But as I have access to every bit of data in the company except personell data, I guess they are afraid that when I leave I could do some serious damage (Well, don't have to leave for that, I can do damage now if I want to.. )

:lol:

[mikeymike]

It'scommon practice in the develpment biz to take code you have written yourself home with you from work. I know I have on many an occasian and most of my colleagues have too. Then when you go work at another firm, you can just plug it in to whatever app you are working on if you need similar functionality.

Does that make me and 99.9% of coders world wide pirates?

Gawd.  What do you think.  What does it say in your contract?  "Please feel free to distribute any code you write for us with anyone else you deem appropriate"?  Don't go twisting that, talking about your own IP because that is different.  Just take that comment as is.

[mikeymike]

re: not working for the competition or in the "same field"

That's mainly an American contract thing, and employment law in America is scary.

If any company in Europe pulls anything like that, just tell them to take the clause out the contract before you sign it.  If you sign it, you're held to it unless it is absolutely illegal.  If it just brushes the law, doesn't quite go in the spirit of a certain act, it is still legal.

mikeymike wrote:

It'scommon practice in the develpment biz to take code you have written yourself home with you from work. I know I have on many an occasian and most of my colleagues have too. Then when you go work at another firm, you can just plug it in to whatever app you are working on if you need similar functionality.

Does that make me and 99.9% of coders world wide pirates?

Gawd.  What do you think.  What does it say in your contract?  "Please feel free to distribute any code you write for us with anyone else you deem appropriate"?  Don't go twisting that, talking about your own IP because that is different.  Just take that comment as is.

Of course it says all work I do is owned by the company, but we all do it anyway.  I haven't worked with anyone yet in 8 years of pro development who hasn't done it at one time or another.

[Athlon]

WOAH !!!

[mikeymike]

@ mdma

Well, you asked the question.

So what's your stance on software piracy then?

mikeymike wrote:
@ mdma

Well, you asked the question.

So what's your stance on software piracy then?

Using software without having the correct licence to do so in your ownership, and making money from it.

If I used a cracked copy of OS4 on my Pegasos (And lets be honest, it's a when, not an if, the crack gets released), I think that is perfectly OK for me to do so if I have bought the CSPPC retail version.   Is that piracy?  Hyperion still get their money.

[mikeymike]

You don't own the code you're re-using, that is owned by the company you wrote it for, as you said your contract says.  Your company hasn't licensed you to freely re-use the code you wrote for them.  So what's the difference?  

And don't sidestep the issue by talking about other software.

Is that piracy? Hyperion still get their money

It doesn't matter that "Hyperion still get their money".  It's still piracy, because your license will not say you can run it on alternative platforms.

mikeymike wrote:
You don't own the code you're re-using, that is owned by the company you wrote it for, as you said your contract says.  Your company hasn't licensed you to freely re-use the code you wrote for them.  So what's the difference?  

And don't sidestep the issue by talking about other software.

I'm not side stepping anything.

I freely admit to re-using code I have written in new apps at different companies.

I've been to some places and seen code written by me that other people have taken with them and passed about.

The market I work in (Until recently), is unlike any other as the development tool is quite different to anything you have ever seen. (http://www.magicsoftware.com)

It's very modular by nature,and lends itself to code borrowing very easily.

Are you disgusted enough yet? I could go on.

I may add I use mostly GPL software at home or stuff I have coded myself, the commercial stuff I own have paid for.

Even Windows, and nobody pays for that! ;-)

Wayne wrote:

Is that piracy? Hyperion still get their money

It doesn't matter that "Hyperion still get their money".  It's still piracy, because your license will not say you can run it on alternative platforms.

Piracy is stealing.  I wouldn't be stealing it.  UK law says otherwise too.

[Vincent]

Wayne wrote:

Is that piracy? Hyperion still get their money

It doesn't matter that "Hyperion still get their money".  It's still piracy, because your license will not say you can run it on alternative platforms.

I was thinking the same thing myself there.

But how does this stand under emulation?  It's on an alternative platform.  Would this mean that everyone who has WinUAE running OS3.5/9 are pirates aswell?  Even though they have bought the OS themselves?

This is a very grey area sometimes.

Vincent wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Is that piracy? Hyperion still get their money

It doesn't matter that "Hyperion still get their money".  It's still piracy, because your license will not say you can run it on alternative platforms.

I was thinking the same thing myself there.

But how does this stand under emulation?  It's on an alternative platform.  Would this mean that everyone who has WinUAE running OS3.5/9 are pirates aswell?  Even though they have bought the OS themselves?

This is a very grey area sometimes.

There's no grey area to me.  I abide by the laws of my country.  Simple as.

When I buy software I am free to do whatever the hell I want with it, as long as I don't distribute it.