Is Eyetech pirating the A1200 Magic Pack software?

[Doobrey]

Snuden wrote:
LOL. The gif/lzw patent isn't valid anymore. Perhaps you should pay more attention.

LOL..maybe you should pay more attention...;-)
Their patent for the US and several other countries expired this year, but it`s still valid in the UK and a few other European countries..

Found this on /.
"The U.S. LZW patent expires June 20, 2003, the counterpart Canadian patent expires July 7, 2004, the counterpart patents in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy expire June 18, 2004, and the Japanese counterpart patents expire June 20, 2004. "

[Kronos]

 

Jose wrote:
Who buys it anyway.

They are old but still copyrighted !

There are probably  various licenses of much more UP TO DATE Amiga software that is to use only with the AmigaOS,  and they are referenced as compatible on some MOS sites. Are they promotiing unlicensed used of the software?  

Because that would be just breaking an EULA, which in most countries would be ruled invalid
if they ever got to a court.

Dealers handing out "free" SW isn't something new in this market, and IF Eyetech don't include
manuals, you can bet on it that those packs aren't just old stock. Wether they obtained new
licences is something that Wayne tries to
investigate. Vesalia selling "unbundled" Magig-Packs is again just breaking the EULA.

[ikir]

Who cares?! :-o  This software is outdated, it a stupid thing. And is alsoa a stupid thing try to sell in for A1.

Eyetech is doing a great work for a1,  this is the important thing.

[cgutjahr]

@Wayne:

I have not asked Eyetech, because like other things, I believe Eyetech is innocent here and they've been sold a bill of goods.

Boy, that level of blind hatred is unbelievable. Here's some shoking news:

Dealers have been selling the Magic Pack seperately way before Amiga Inc. even existed. I just checked some old magazine adverts: You're not just threatening Eyetech (who sold IDE-HDs with the Magic Pack software pre-installed in early 1997) and Vesalia, but probably 80% of the existing dealers. Congratulations! If you need any assistance, let me know - I'll happily scann the adverts. Who needs dealers anyway?

I was hoping that you might have become somewhat more careful after your recent "AmigaOne SDA" debacle - well, I guess this thread proves the opposite.

With zero knowledge about the product ("Commodore"? *sigh*) or the actual license, you come to the conclusion that "Amiga Inc. and partners are pirating software"? That's a new low.

you'd almost think it was the work of The FUD Master himself.

Are you speaking specifically of Mike Bouma, or of Samface?

Best of Wayne Hunt, July 2003:

"The stupid AmigaOne SDA prevents me from using the system for my purposes"

"Only the blind zealeots will not see that there will be no AmigaOS4 if Amiga Inc. go bankrupt"

"Look, Ray has installed a picture database - what a progress"

"I don't know if Eyetech have a license to distribute the Magic pack seperately, but my FIRM bet is against that they don't."

[Blomberg]

you'd almost think it was the work of The FUD Master himself.

Are you speaking specifically of Mike Bouma, or of Samface?

No.

Who said that, btw? I can't find the post that was quoted from  :-?

[lempkee]

i never got this magicpack for a1 , i have it for my a1200, and some more  bundles..

anyway my guess is, eyetech bought a certain number of liscenses, and they never sold out so
it was a give away for later purposes..

like when i go to a shop and buy a dvd player, i got 5 brand new dvd movies with it.  included in the price..

anyway i hope this fud will be cleaned up...

[cgutjahr]

@Blomberg:

Who said that, btw? I can't find the post that was quoted from

Wayne. He just removed his posting (along with mine, which I reposted a few minutes ago) later on.

[jaokim]

Since no one here seems to actually have the AOne with UAE installed, I thought I might enligthen those who are interested.
The progs that are preinstalled (no actual Magic Pack included the progs are just installed):
Photogenics-SE 1.2
Wordworth 4SE
Datastore
Organiser
Turbocalc
PPaintSE
Pinball Mania
and Scala MM300
The progs are from 94-95 and all that can be are registered to Eyetech, "customer". PPaint includes a doc that describes how you can register it.
Neither PPaint nor Photogenics has GIF-support, there isn't even a GIF-datatype.

A snapshot of the installed environment.

So there!  8-)

[Vincent]

Boy what a lot of speculative ####e this is.

I don't turn up here for a few days cause I'm busy and all this crap happens all over again. :-x

@FarQuad

Here's where the problem comes in. Neither Eyetech, Hyperion, nor Amiga Inc themselves are licensed to distribute the Magic Pack Software (and I am sure they are not licensed to distribute Scala, Wordworth, or Photogenics) from the Amiga 1200 Magic Pack.

Got any proof of this?

Maybe someone should contact Scala, Paul Nolan (Photogenics) and the Wordworth people about the fact that their software is being distributed without their knowledge? I'm sure they'd welcome a new license, or the money from the distribution.

Why don't you ask them this yourself?  How do you know that they haven't given permission?

@Wayne

I don't know if they do or not, but my FIRM bet is against that they don't.

And how do you come to this conclusion?  Eyetech have ALWAYS been above board with every single person I know who has dealt with them.

I've sent e-mails to Scala and Paul Nolan asking for verification.

Let us know if you hear anything.

@Blom

As cgutjahr said, it was Wayne that posted that, I saw it around 3am.  He probably removed it so people don't call him out for personal attacks ;-)

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On an end note, if this was Genesi releasing the Magic Pack for the Pegasos would everybody be jumping on their backs in a thread like this?  I highly doubt it.

[th4t1guy]

Someone should change the name of this thread to "The reason why OS4 isn't finished"

[GGS]

@ jaokim

You are always great ! :-)

But TurboCalc is licensed to Amiga Technologies if I'm not wrong, but dont think that means so very much.

However this thread leads me to remember a discussion I had with a person on the swedish forum www.amigarulez.org a while ago, who did claim I was doing unethetical business by selling Pegasos which is delivered bundled with software without licensed codecs for playing DVD.

Don't know if he was from the blue or red or yellow camp though...


@ Wayne

Keep up the good work, will be interresting to see whats happening !

[mikeymike]

Isn't there anything more interesting to be discussing rather than hoping to pick apart peoples' or companies' reputations?  For all we know tonnes of code could have "found its way" into AmigaOS or MorphOS (or your personal favourite OS) in a highly illegal fashion, but until you've actually got some evidence that might entitle you to start axe-grinding away, but until then...

[Ni72ous]

At the end of the day, all this software is very old, most already have it, why make some much fuss, most of you have bought better products so you would uninstall these anyway and most people that buy a AOne willl have some sort of ami background and will do the same.

mikeymike wrote:
Isn't there anything more interesting to be discussing rather than hoping to pick apart peoples' or companies' reputations?  For all we know tonnes of code could have "found its way" into AmigaOS or MorphOS (or your personal favourite OS) in a highly illegal fashion, but until you've actually got some evidence that might entitle you to start axe-grinding away, but until then...

It'scommon practice in the develpment biz to take code you have written yourself home with you from work.  I know I have on many an occasian and most of my colleagues have too.  Then when you go work at another firm, you can just plug it in to whatever app you are working on if you need similar functionality.

Does that make me and 99.9% of coders world wide pirates? :-)

[seer]

It'scommon practice in the develpment biz to take code you have written yourself home with you from work. I know I have on many an occasian and most of my colleagues have too. Then when you go work at another firm, you can just plug it in to whatever app you are working on if you need similar functionality.

Does that make me and 99.9% of coders world wide pirates?


Wouldn't that depend a bit on the contract you have with your current employer ? I can't work for another company in the same "field" for a year if I quit mu current job for example..

[GGS]

mikeymike:

You are absolutely right. How do we find the way ?