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Offline Varthall

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #14 from previous page: December 15, 2007, 12:30:41 PM »
OS4 Devs vs Hyperion?? Have I missed something?

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2007, 01:18:47 PM »
Instead of the floggin' horse thingy I think it would be more useful to inform new members of recent discussions...

Here is a recent topic on the subject:

Link 1

Also, this topic has some relevance:

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Personally, I don't think it will ever happen.. but a lot of us never thought OS4 would come out properly either - so you never know. :-)
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2007, 01:53:46 PM »
Varthall,

OT but yes, the Friedens are now suing Hyperion as well as AInc. Refer to the court doc #82, attachment #1, pages 46-47. I guess all those predictions that the Friedens would try to take the kernel and walk weren't so far off the mark after all.

As far as why no OS4 on Mac PPC, Hyperion and the Friedens have consistently shot down that idea for years for a number of reasons, such as:

Hyperion isn't in the "have a few PPC systems lying around market".

We can't figure out the Mac mobos without documentation that Linux groups have had for years, and asking the Linux community for help is out of the question because open source is the devil.

We don't have a license for a Mac port. (this excuse doesn't hold much water anymore for obvious reasons)

Since Apple has gone Intel there are no Mac PPC systems available anymore.

OS4 is poised to take over the embedded market where there is no competition. (not really related but throwing it in anyway for kind of a retro 2005 perspective, lol)

My favorite though comes from the OS4 community itself: releasing OS4 on hardware which is no longer in production would make OS4 look ridiculous.
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2007, 08:35:28 PM »
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As far as why no OS4 on Mac PPC, Hyperion and the Friedens have consistently shot down that idea for years for a number of reasons, such as:

Hyperion isn't in the "have a few PPC systems lying around market".


As opposed to no PPC systems about?

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jorkany wrote:We can't figure out the Mac mobos without documentation that Linux groups have had for years, and asking the Linux community for help is out of the question because open source is the devil.


The code to make it work could be open source and there would be no issue, Executive changed the whole multitasking system of the Amiga, yet that was freeware, I don't think it was open source, but it could have been without compromising anything relating to the copyrighted OS. I think it's entirely possible the Linux community would be quite supportive of this effort IMHO, and having the code to make OS4 work on Mac would be possibly better as open source as that could mean more development & more reformed Macs.

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jorkany wrote:We don't have a license for a Mac port. (this excuse doesn't hold much water anymore for obvious reasons)


Moot point, it's not a port as such. It's more about co-opting hardware. As for making the classic OS1.3 etc work on earlier Macs, I think it was a little bit more tied to the hardware than OS4.

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jorkany wrote:Since Apple has gone Intel there are no Mac PPC systems available anymore.


True, Mac has gone Intel, and this is actually one of the stronger reasons for OS4 on Mac hardware to actually happen, there's a surplus of screaming hot (yet cheap) PPC hardware that will be redundant happening right now as people upgrade. Any Mac made in the last two years will be better architecture than anything made specifically for Amiga at any price point. Even then Amiga benefits from a lot more orders of OS4, which might put a bit of money into the coffers to come up something on the hardware side that is worthwhile, like Amiga OS4 on a Cell based machine.

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jorkany wrote:OS4 is poised to take over the embedded market where there is no competition. (not really related but throwing it in anyway for kind of a retro 2005 perspective, lol)


Well, the AOS for embedded/mobile devices idea I guess in hindsight didn't turn out to be a bad one, it's a shame that everyone thought to deride it pretty much.

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jorkany wrote:My favorite though comes from the OS4 community itself: releasing OS4 on hardware which is no longer in production would make OS4 look ridiculous.


Yes, this is my favourite too, like having an OS with no hardware isn't ridiculous enough!? Or suggesting that buying old new stock or second hand Mac hardware is somehow more demeaning that scouring eBay for overpriced second hand Phase V products?? (for the record, I own a 603e 240mhz & BVision card)

Gimme a break already! lol Sounds too much like excuses to me.
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2007, 11:23:36 PM »
i cant believe someone hasnt had go at this already! id love to try os4 but im never going to waste money buying a mega overpriced PPC board for a classic Amiga. Surely this cant be to hard to do as linux should have most of the info thats needed to get this working.
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2007, 11:33:23 PM »
when you consider the things that get done on other platforms it makes you wonder what talents are left in the amiga camp? the psp slim for cfw was cracked in a day... :roll:
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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2007, 12:40:18 AM »
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when you consider the things that get done on other platforms it makes you wonder what talents are left in the amiga camp?


I suspect most of the real talent has jumped ship to different camps (MorphOS, AROS, Linux etc.).

Not that it's a bad thing - the Community is all Amiga has left, so why not put their efforts into said community projects?
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2007, 02:31:10 AM »
when we get aos4.0 for older macs, the price of these things will go sky high(specially on ebay). then we are back to the whining again... people are never satisfied...
 

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2007, 05:18:01 PM »
Again excuse me for the ignorance, but...
If today I buy an OS 4, what machine it would recommend at the box? The best option...

And how different, let's say a Quicksilver G4, is from the recommended machine? I mean mainboard chipsets and etc...

I'm trying to narrow where the effort would be needed more: Removing protections or re-written some drivers.

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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 04:17:49 AM »
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Re: OS 4 on Mac PPCs
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2007, 07:09:12 AM »
Wouldn't it theoretically be possible to modify something like E-UAE on a MAC G3/4/5 to emulate a Blizzard PPC card using the native processor?

I don't know how Blizzard cards arbitrate for BUS access, but some people here must?

Presumably, OS4Classic could run *unmodified* in that environment.
Does that violate the licence agreement of OS4Classic in any way?

Will 601/603 code run unmodified on G3/G4/G5 processors?

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