xBox 360 or PlayStation 3

[trekiej]

How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Edit:( Serial number, model number,etc)

How does one know that the Xbox360 has the new chip set?

Do you think the HD-DVD drive could be hacked and placed into an Xbox360?

Sorry, I do not want anyone thinking I was mad from my earlier post.  I do not want anyone to win the console war.
It is bad for all of us. I am tempted to buy an Xbox360.  I do not want to feel I have to buy Msoft.  Atari,Commodore, 3DO,Sega,they all died in some way and I believe it is MSoft's turn.
But, When one dies another takes its place. So, does it really matter?
It is the dreamer and believers that make all this fun.

[TheMud]

trekiej wrote:
How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?

Ehhmmm... Thats simple... Because we have played PS2 games on
the PS3 ...

[SHADES]

@ Thread.

It all depends on where you are to what your PS3 can do.

Europe / Australia - Sony have stopped shipping the 60GB model PS3 which included memory card readers 4 USB ports and PS2 backward compatibility. I was lucky to buy a 60GB model I love it. As for CPU, data bandwidth, the Cell is supposedly more capable but harder to program and the data though port in PS3 is greater. Look for Sony Specs for info.


Aus - 60 GB specs
- 4x USB2
- PS2 Compatibility (Software)
- Memory card readers
- 60GB hdd.

You can at the moment only buy a 40GB model PS3 in Australia. They are no longer making the 60GB for Aus and have no plans to change according to store information.

Aus 40 GB specs
- 2x USB2
- 40GB hdd.

In the USA I do believe that there was a 80GB model
The difference was that the 80 GB model had extra hardware (Emotion chip) engine from the PS2 making it 100% compatible with the PS2 and the extra space of an 80 GB hdd.

The 60 GB model does all PS2 compatibility in software and can't play ALL PS2 games, however updates to the emulator have been promised depending on demand of the game in question.

I also have been informed that Sony will no longer be making the 80GB model even for hte USA which instead the 60Gb will be the only availble one. This was all done to reduce costs.

I am not sure about region protection on BluRay or games so I don't know if it is a good idea to buy any PS3 not in your country.

Ta.

[Terse]

... And he gave me two PS 3 games ... So what should I now want with the xbox   :lol:

So, you got all of the PS3 games eh?


Okay - low blow.  But I read my earlier post and don't want to come across as just bashing the 360.

[Chubbyrain]

As much as I hate to say M$ did something right, the 360 is the better choice right now. It's hot this year for games and has a better online system than the PS3. It's an easier platform to develop for and had the important head start on the PS3. The PS3 is still overpriced because it has the blu-ray player stuffed in it.

PS3 will never be the success story the PS2 was. In a year or two it may finally get a good enough selection of  software and momentum (and a more reasonable price) to be an attractive buy but not right now.

I know several people who bought PS3's and they have since bought 360's. One even sold his PS3.

As for Blu-Ray. It's not won yet by a long chalk. In fact it just got dropped by one film studio. HD-DVD may kill it on price like VHS did to Beta. There are $100-$200 HD-DVD players starting to appear. Plus Mr. Gates & Co are in the HD-DVD corner. You can never ignore that marketing muscle.  If you ask me, the smart people are still sitting on the fence waiting to see which format is the clear winner before they buy.

[trekiej]

Wikipedia has a good story on both systems.

[Donar]

Just some comments:
You can upgrade the HD space on the PS3 yourself by replacing the drive with (almost) any 2,5'SATA drive. I've heard you can't on XBOX360.

The XBOX360 has probably more and better looking games because  it has about one year lead time because it was released earlier, and by the way look at the first games for PS2 and compare them to e.g. God of War 2.

Online gaming for the PS3 is cost free, on XBOX you have to pay for it.

If you want to use you console as a cheap HD Video Player also it is relevant that the PS3 can play BlueRay out of the box. As HD Video playing devices will come down in price this feature will be less relevant in future though.

Now that the PS3 is somewhat comparable in price to the 360 we will see which will get more steam, especially when the big titles for the PS3 start to appear.

[BigBenAussie]

Please, excuse me if I have the facts wrong. I read this soooo long ago. Let me tell you why the 360 is a slam dunk, as much as I hate to admit it.

It's all comes down to what an Amigan would call Chip RAM.
In fact to put it entirely in retro Amigan terms, to compare XBox360 to PS3 feels like comparing an Amiga to an Atari ST in terms of specs, as there are a lot of simularities. Or maybe a A1200 to an Atari Falcon. Was that DSP ever used effectively?

1. The PS3 GPU only has access to 256Mb while the XBox360 has access to its entire 512Mb. This assists in the loading and processing of textures. More ChipRAM means less moving from conventional RAM to Chip RAM and more complex textures. In fact the raising from 256mb to 512mb of GPU accessible RAM was called for by the developers of Gears of War who convinced MS through their demo systems that the difference it makes is staggerring. It apparently will cost MS around a Billion dollars extra in terms of production costs for doing this.

2. The transfer rate between the PS3's CELL Chip co-processors and RAM is acknowledged to be too slow to be entirely useful for anything but media processing. It's not a great help for games it is said.

3. There is only one PPC CPU core in the PS3, and a basic one at that. The XBox 360 has a triple pipeline PPC(or something of the sort) that allows for all sorts of optimising, effectively making it a hell of a lot faster. It's like having 3 PPCs running simultaneously. Has it got two of these?

4. Blue Ray loading times (I am told) are slower than 360 DVD loading times.

5. The GPU on the 360 is a generation later than the PS3s and it shows. It really does. I still haven't gone WOW over any PS3 game, yet I am constantly doing it with the 360.

6. The money for the developers is in XBox, and most of them have thrown their wholehearted support behind it. So with a larger install base that is unlikely to be surpassed, development will focus on 360, with the PS3 as an afterthought. Therefore the PS3 will obtain ports of XBox360 games, which, with the way they would have been coded for the 360 hardware, will not take advantage of any custom chips resulting in games of lesser quality for the PS3. It's like an ST or PC port to an Amiga which doesn't make use of the custom chips because it costs too much to do it. So in such a circumstances the Amiga port would be worse than others, for the lack of CPU power as is the case with the PS3 CPU and its GPU combination.

7. Blue Ray will not win, and if it somehow does, this battle will be prolonged by MS on purpose. It is in MS interests to prolong the battle to gain more bargaining power with industry players, and to hasten their online content streams. They have the money to keep the HD battle at a stalemate to their own ends. If it tilts too far one way, they may even put HD-DVD in their Xbox units.

My XBox360 doesn't make that much sound. Sheesh? Forza motorsport kicks major ass.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

[actung_bab]

l have psx3 40 gig hd with the card slots and software emulation. it works fine are u meaning the one that hasint either software emulation or the actually psx2 hardware.

l whould say the psx3 beacause the 360 has alot breakdowns.

but then my mate has xbox 360 and they replaced his no problems. and u can play alot old arcade games . and he know as he was are amiga club president.

id honesty thought l made mistake when l brought my psx3 in april . but it has alot cool features like the blue ray player

the movies look nice . u can upscale the psx2 games.

l have mine hooked up to my pc and stream tv shows and music from the pc to the psx3 and very handy.

so for know l say games wise maybe xbox if u want alot of choice.

but for me l happy with 10 good games and great mulimedia
machine (know if l chould put os4 on there . no one noticed)

 :roll:

[foleyjo]

trekiej wrote:
How does one know that the PS3 can play PS2 games?
Edit:( Serial number, model number,etc)

If it has 4 usb ports the flap that lifts up to reveal card slots and a 60gb hd then it will play ps2 games.

Im sure I read somewhere (on this site or maybe in that open letter to the amiga community) that the PS3 may get a version of Amiga OS 5 to work with the Other OS option. If this is true then that is a damn good reason to get one. I know it probably wont happen but it was mentioned so that make PS3 most like Amiga.  :lol:  :lol:

Currently theres a few versions of linux available free that work so you can use UAE and other emulators and play the retro games for free that XBOX Live fans seem to get excited about being able to BUY.

everyone needs to keep in mind that PS3 is still a baby and when the PS2 first came out sales were shockingly low and the games were shockingly bad. They had a bloody firework simulator for one of the launch titles. I think this went on till GTA 3 came out. So why dont people wait till next year before judging which console will come on top and if the novelty of the Wii finally wears off.  

(UPDATE) It as in the Amiga Inc answers our questions post on this site that I saw AOS on the PS3 mentioned

21. Would Amiga Inc. support/encourage Hyperion to port AOS4 to the PS3?Given Eyetech's apparent withdrawal from the Amiga hardware market, and the prohibitive cost of producing adequate PowerPC-based hardware in sufficient numbers, surely a port to Sony's CELL-based system is now the only realistic chance for the platform to return to the mass-market.

Bill McEwen -- I have had conversations with the Freidens about this, and once we have the legal situation resolved then we can put that horse before the cart. If we can not do it with OS 4, then I am sure the FIVE can take care of that issue.

[tabuhuso]

Playstation family ,best them of all consols everytime...

Microsoft long word = MicrobeSoftware, just like live form virus...

[TheMagicM]

oh, and my fiancee's son is getting a Wii for Christmas..so I guess its the best of both worlds.

[dnelsonfl]

First up, I'm biased, so take this for what it's worth. The 80GB PS3 has upwards of 80% compatibility for PS2 games. If you can still locate a 60GB PS3, then you're guaranteed near 100% compatibility. When I read about the new PS3's being made loosing compatibility, I located a 60GB at a Best Buy about 40 miles away. Bought it online and drove down to pick it up. It can do 1080p, but you need to buy yourself a HDMI cable first. BJ Wholesale Club had a bunch of 6ft cables for $20. They sold out pretty quick, next best was Radio Shack for $60 for a 6ft cable. Only thing is, not too many games have been released that go up to true 1080p. Usually see 720p.

Don't forget the PS3 doubles as a blu-ray player.

Or get a Wii. I actually end up spending more time on the Wii than the PS3

[swift240]

erm, actually talking about Microsoft.

I have noticed over the years that Microsoft has NEVER made any thing in its entire existence that don`t need some sort of upgrade or hack.

Why on earth cant they provide some thing that is working out of the box/package that WORKS with not having to phone
them up or complain that this don`t work right or that don`t work right.

Should the customer have to put up with that?

Or do all just KNOW that Microsoft is a {bleep} company that works that way?

Sony may have there problems, after all they are not the perfect company no one is, BUT, I have had 3 PS1`s a PS2 and NONE of them had any problems what so ever.

Try that with ANY OS or EXBOX and NOT have any problems.

I go by quality not the name or how many games there are out there.
Do you want quality (fully WORKING with no problems) or try it and see (fingures crossed).

I go for quality, as for Sony and Microsoft I prefer Sony any day.
I have more Sony products in my home than Microsoft.

Sony works every day, Microsoft does one day don`t the next.

Microsoft needs upgrades/updates to keep working in a full order.
If Microsoft was not s***s in the first place by ripping any one and every one off then perhaps there would be more respected.

All I can say at the end of they day is this, Sony works 99.5% of the time, Microsoft don`t come near that.
Why is that?

Because they rush things out trying to be clever.
In stead of getting it right in the first place.
Knowing people will put up with any thing.
IF they did not they would NOT buy the stuff.

So its just as much as the peoples fault KNOWING Microsoft shifts the S*** out, in the first place, knowing they will get problems.
Is this the way to run a professional company?

Give the people s*** they will put up with any thing, we can give them any crap and they will be happy.

These are facts.  How many of you have bought an Exbox and had to send it back or complain?

Do you all go by the nice graphics? and that then means the RISK of buying an Exbox with problems don`t matter any more?

Why cant Microsoft build a console that works properly?
With NO problems in the first place?

Like I say I have many Sony products in my home and every one of them work no problems, PS1, PS2, tape players, tuners, TV, VHS recorder, Walkman.

And the quality is good, fact, never had a problem fact.
Still use them all with quality of picture and sound fact.
Mechanisms work perfectly fact.

You can use your Exbox, Exbox360 with noise and over heating and all the other problems you get, cover it all up with any nice excuses you can, at the end of the day the problems should NOT be there fact.

Mike.

[TheMagicM]

I bought my sons w/a best buy warranty, just like I would have if it was a PS3.

Your complaints are valid.. just like when the Amiga came out.. software failures galore.  That stuck w/the Amiga and it was labeled unstable.  Much like the Xbox 360.  Hmm.. I guess the 360 has something in common with the Amiga afterall.  LOL

[Chubbyrain]

I bought the extended warranty when I got my 360 almost 2 years ago. Simply because I heard all the horror stories about the red rings of death.  I've had no problems with it whatsoever. Works like a charm and it's not noisy.

I've had 3 Sony CD players and 2 DVD players over the years and they have had a 50% failure rate within the first 12 months.

I had a Sony TV that had tuner issues so bad and went back for repairs so many times that in the end the dealer offered me a Panasonic.

Even my Wii had to go back to Nintendo for repair when the GPU became faulty.

So basically, your mileage may vary when it comes to reliability.

I'm not a big fan of M$ (I'm a Mac user) but I will admit that I think the 360 is a great console and the best choice on the market today.