Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[giZmo350]

@BooBoo1200

Well, I copied the files back from the CD that I created the ISO from, to a folder on my desktop. Then copied devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd to my desktop, added the extension to create devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_deb (I left _safe and .usbhcd there and just added _deb - cause I want to try both and the loader might need both the old ones).

I then simply burned another CD from the folder but now the loader won't even load and says that the environment is to too small. Do I need to create another ISO from the newly created folder then reburn that ISO to CD to get it to work? Are there some hidden files that I can't see? (Yes, I have "see all hidden files" turned on in WinXP.

Anyhoo....  I'm done messing with this today to get ready for the New Year's festivities!  :-D  I'll report back more tomorrow (or the next day - depending on how I feel tomorrow! hahahahahaha!

Happy New Year all!   :-)

[Zac67]

If anyone still cares for the video - I've put it on our company FTP server.

host: ftpfs.psyma.com
user: mig
pwd: mini
file: os4_on_mac_mini.avi
ACTIVE mode only (passive seems to be broken currently)
Don't try to use a browser, they all do passive xfer.

Happy new 2008! ;-)

@gizmo
Dunno about Open Firmware machines, but Wintels require a custom boot block on the disk...

[Krusher]

Zac67: ACTIVE mode gives: Connection closed with server
An error occured listing the directory.

FileZilla 2.0.4.1

Anywho, happy New Year, may the Amiga be with y'all  :-D
Great year ahead, Minimig, possibe Apple Mini running OS4, it's been a long time that hardware is Amiga compatible.

[TheMagicM]

you could get sued for posting a picture or video of a OS running on a different machine?  Who would actually take that case??? LOL

I'd put it all over the web, putfile, youtube and other sources..  lol

[Jeff]

Tested on another machine and failed. I didn't think it would work, but it was worth a try. G4 Digital Audio 533;

CPU clock freq description set to 1500 as above
Boot from CD slb_v2_mm and chose option 3 (best results) slb crashed totally.

slb_v2_mm boots all the way up to the point where it says

Killing OF
Loading ExecSG and then goes no farther.

Oh well, sounds like 08 might be an interesting year.

[peroxidechicken]

Wead here you piwats!  

I'm a big girl's blouse stepping out in full hissyfit and evewyone must compute exactwy as I do.  Ner!  So there!  

Tsk tsk to everwyone!!

[Raffaele]

A1260 wrote:
Unfortunately for you the OS4 fans, that dont seem to understand this not being a hoax is definitely not a very good thing. Instead you are mostly cheering. You all is too stupid to see the big picture. Reminds me of Lemmings.

The probability of new lawsuits materializing between old and new players has greatly increased.

A smart firm (but unfortunately Amiga firms are not THAT smart) who want to enter the profitable market of second hand Macintosh machines, then it will avoid any lawsuits...

Instead of that this firm have one great chance...

They could accept the situation that it was stolen an incomplete (fortunately) AmigaOS on Mac hardware loader, and this is better than any advertising campaign to publicize the world that it exisits such a software product...

This will increase future sells of Amiga loaders in Macintosh market...

Also they will renounce the lawsuits BUT they will hire a contract with the producers of the loader in order to let them COMPLETE it...

(actually the loader it is incomplete AND ALMOST UNUSABLE)

Then this hypotetical firm will make an agreement with the OS manufacturers, in order to let them realize an OS running on that loader...

They will gain some % extra royalties (percent extra royalties) from the contract, renouncing publicly to any lawsuit... :idea:

(The owners of IP will gain extra money royalties as amend to any damages they could have suffered)

More money in their pockets... lesser spending for lawyers and related expenses...

At least all the three firms could sell the "OS + Loader" package into second hand macintosh PPC market, and earn lots of money...

A smart firm will perform all these moves QUICKLY...

Before any macitosh pirate could hack the loader and let it run really and then pirate AmigaOS...

DBAlex has now actually helped Amiga Inc, I think we have not seen any court document on this matter because it has not been proved working, now that Amiga Inc have proof you can expect a document stating HOW Hyperion has NOT been able to protect their IP and moving their Amiga Inc's operating system to another hardware that is not licenced, aka not AmigaOne. Amiga Inc probably have a copy of the leaked iso also.

So what? They never moved to another hardware publicly...

The loader was just a proof of concept...


More... It is incomplete, and stating from Bill McEwen evidences, Amiga Inc. already knew this loader existed.  

If I were Amiga Inc., then I start thinking all the money they could earn from royalties, instead thjan sue in court trial Hyperion...

Also if I were in Amiga INc. shoes, then I will contact the author and grant him a very lucrative contract :rtfm: and hire him in the Amiga Inc. Team...

If Andrea Vallinotto succeded in realizing the AmigaOS on Mac Kernel, then HE IS THE BEST PROGRAMMER EVER...

He who made this loader deserves all our RESPECT!

He realized what none believed it was possible... Running AmigaOS on Mac!  :-o



An intelligent businessman do not sue such a great programmer for having lost (being stolen) his laptop with all Moana job-in-progress files in it...

Instead of that... an intelligent businessman will hire such a great programmer, letting him enter his major development team (maybe AmigaOS 5 made in Amiga India???) and letting him create new things, new programs, new kernels, using all his p0waa l33t 5k1llz of great coder.

[skurk]

Here's the video on video.google.com: clicky

[AmiGR]

If Andrea Vallinotto succeded in realizing the AmigaOS on Mac Kernel, then HE IS THE BEST PROGRAMMER EVER...

He who made this loader deserves all our RESPECT!

He realized what none believed it was possible... Running AmigaOS on Mac!

Who exactly believed that it was not possible? In fact, many people were saying it was very very very possible and certain OS4 developers were saying that it's too much work without docs, difficult, etc. Perhaps you did not believe it was possible.

Anyway, I am not about to claim that I could port it myself, but best programmer ever for porting the AmigaOS 4 boot loader to Open Firmware and adapting the HAL for the Mini's hardware is not exactly an insane programming feat. In fact, it's exactly why the OS has a boot loader and a HAL in the first place, instead of being tied to the hardware and firmware.

[AndrewBell]

AmiGR wrote:
best programmer ever for porting the AmigaOS 4 boot loader to Open Firmware and adapting the HAL for the Mini's hardware is not exactly an insane programming feat.

Best is a relative term. Besides, sometimes it's not what you do, it's how much your work is appreciated.
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[AmiGR]

Best is a relative term. Besides, sometimes it's not what you do, it's how much your work is appreciated.

True. And AV's work sure is appreciated. I'm just saying that Raffaele doesn't always need to go to such extremes.

[Zac67]

@Krusher

Your firewall might not allow the backward data connection from the server. Active does work, but may not in your specific configuration (that's why passive mode was invented). :-/

[HenryCase]

A1260 wrote:
Now Hyperion will go down and lose in court and your beloved AOS4.0 will be forever trapped.

Good luck in killing of AOS!!

This development doesn't have any affect on the AInc vs Hyperion cases...

1. AInc already knew about Project Moana's existence (which is what we could have the code for here).
2. Hyperion have never publicly endorsed Moana, the work was done by ACube, who had access to the source code as a trusted partner/developer. Therefore, Hyperion have nothing to do with this, and it won't affect the outcome of the court cases.

A1260 wrote:
read here you pirates!...

May I be the first to say: I don't care!

Piracy is only bad when there are negative consequences. Who is losing out here? AInc get the potential for more OS4 development, ACube and Hyperion get the potential for more OS4 sales. The code may have been stolen from the original author, but I don't completely understand why he is annoyed about its release, as he could never have released it himself (AInc wouldn't have endorsed it) and so his work would have gone to waste.

Hans wrote:
The VGABios is great for displaying text-mode graphics, but not much else. Likewise, the BIOS IDE drivers are pretty much the bare minimum needed to read the disks. These drivers aren't Amiga OS drivers at all.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me Hans, I've still got a lot to learn about computer architecture.

Okay, so the main focus of our research efforts should be on deconstructing the HAL. Could we use a PC Oscilloscope (such as this one: http://www.picotech.com/highperformance-oscilloscopes.html) to probe the control and data lines of an A1 to construct a picture of how the HAL works, or is there an easier way?

@Everyone
Will this allow everyone without a Mac to try the OS4 bootloader?
http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/
Are there any other VM solutions we could use?

[dammy]

1. AInc already knew about Project Moana's existence (which is what we could have the code for here).

Which was kept in closed developement and not leaked to the public.  Now it's leaked, so it is Hyperion's problem.

2. Hyperion have never publicly endorsed Moana, the work was done by ACube, who had access to the source code as a trusted partner/developer. Therefore, Hyperion have nothing to do with this, and it won't affect the outcome of the court cases.

No, it should be Hyperion's issue as they authorized Acube access to AI's IP.  Hyperion went out on a limb, which has now snapped off.  Hyperion could in turn sue Acube, but I doubt they will do that. AI, OTOH, could sue both Hyperion (already doing so) and Acube for the careless handling of their IP and revoking all contracts (which they did).

So yes, this should have an impact on the court case as this gives base to AI's claims of being an injured party.

Dammy

[Colani1200]

Well, the fact that the ISO was indeed stolen and leaked from the Moana project makes it rather worthless for the community I guess.

I really was hoping that it was not Moana. This would have meant that somebody had been able to build it without access to the OS4 source (by reverse engineering the OS4 kernel etc. etc.), and that development could continue on this, more supported platforms were to come and so on. This won't happen in the situation we have now.

BTW: Who is stupid enough to run around with an unencrypted laptop which contains stuff like this?

[AndrewBell]

AmiGR wrote:
I'm just saying that Raffaele doesn't always need to go to such extremes.

Considering that this software could help to alleviate the dire shortage of suitable hardware, some may think it's worthy of extreme praise.
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