Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[humppa]

Shame its not official, but if it sells more AmigaOS 4 copies thats a good thing...

Provided that it even runs with the Classic-version of OS4.
AFAIK, the A1-version of OS4 isn't/never was on sale (only bundled with the hw).

[motorollin]

MarkWatson wrote:
Just to clarify, because I'm a bit swamped by posts here. Its a patch to the Classic edition right?

No. It's a bootloader to get the OS4 kernel up and running. As you can see in the video this leaves you at an Amiga kickstart screen. What will subsequently boot is yet unknown (OS4 Classic? OS4 A1? Nothing?).

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moto

[dammy]

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them.  I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

Dammy

[motorollin]

dammy wrote:

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them.  I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

This boot CD is useless without an actual copy of OS4. It just lets you boot OS4 itself.

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moto

[dammy]

This boot CD is useless without an actual copy of OS4. It just lets you boot OS4 itself.

Guess if there is no OS4 on ftp or bittorrent, it's all safe. :-D

Dammy

[motorollin]

dammy wrote:
Guess if there is no OS4 on ftp or bittorrent, it's all safe. :-D

Well I don't know whether there is or not. All I'm saying is that this particular doesn't contain OS4. It might have bits of it, but nothing useful for anything other than launching the kernel. Sourcing the OS itself is a separate task.

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moto

[EDanaII]

@ dammy:

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them. I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

What you say could very well be true, but... wouldn't it be nice if AI actually did something FOR their users instead of constantly frustrating them? What a concept!

Ed.

[amigadave]

dammy wrote:

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them.  I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

Dammy

How do you equate this bootloader with piracy of their OS?  

Also, has it been confirmed which version of OS4 will work with this MacMini bootloader?  If it is the version that runs on a Classic Amiga w/PPC that is currently for sale I will place my order today in hopes that the bootloader will continue to be worked on until it is able to work with many more models of PPC Macs.  I have a 1ghz PowerBook that needs repairs that I would love to run OS4 on.

[giZmo350]

@Alex....

My machine being Boot ROM Version: 4.8.9f1 stops the loader because it can't find devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_deb

And that would make sense as there is no file devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_deb

Just,

devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd
devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_safe

Any ideas?

It then trys to start the Exec at address 00000000

Unable to load kernal
Exiting second level booter

[maffoo]

humppa wrote:

Shame its not official, but if it sells more AmigaOS 4 copies thats a good thing...

Provided that it even runs with the Classic-version of OS4.
AFAIK, the A1-version of OS4 isn't/never was on sale (only bundled with the hw).

My gut feeling is that if it ever boots OS4 it will be the A1 version. I suspect (not based on any real knowledge, just a gut feeling which I hope is wrong) the Classic version will expect to see custom chips.

[monami]

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4143

rather strangely it's for the least sold mini? it certainly got us all exited over getting os4... clever!!! :-(

[BooBoo1200]

If it is the version that runs on a Classic Amiga w/PPC that is currently for sale I will place my order today in hopes that the bootloader will continue to be worked on until it is able to work with many more models of PPC Macs. I have a 1ghz PowerBook that needs repairs that I would love to run OS4 on.

:-) Same Here

Im eager to find out what happens but if we already have the kernal maybe Os4 classic will work?

@gizmo350

Hi probably wont work but have you tried maybe editing the ISO and renameing devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd or devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_safe to devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_deb who knows :-)

[AeroMan]

Well guys,

      Now it is 17:37 PM Brasilian time, I'm really loving all this discussion, but I will take a bath, grab my family and go to my grandma's house where I will eat and drink like a big fat pig and wait for the new year.
      Happy 2008 for everybody, and hope that everybody in this thread will be an AmigaMini, err.... Mac Mini user very soon.

      See you next year,

[Raffaele]

humppa wrote:

The video is gone btw. was it removed by Amiga inc?  

Maybe Alex got scared after he got the 3 PMs from Raffaele (which he wrote in a "comatose state") and accordingly removed the video.  :lol:

Nope... Me too want to download that video and see it but it was already broken or removed link...

I come back home at 2:15am yesterday, I gor some food, and I start digging internet at 3:00?, 3:20? am to discover if DBAlex had htested it or not, and proof ONCE AND FOR ALL if that loader was a fake or a real thing...

Well... Now we all could affirm that seems that it was a real thing...

But sure at 3:00 of night, full of sleep needing, I navigated and I wrote the PM to DBAlex really in a sort of comatose state, posting the phrases sort of this:

Attention please...............(I closed eyes)...............DBAlex.....(Yawn)......I saw you posted........(OH geez what he posted? Do not remember...)... .........screens of OS 4.0........(SNORT!).........that sure are illegal.......(EH?)......and you could be sued for that....

Because I saw the images of the Kickstart and I was so intoxicated by sleep, that I believed these were images of OS 4.0...

I started believing that the loader had just a copy of pirated OS 4.0 autostarting as a live CD, and I fell afraid that DbAlex could be could be sued for the images he posted...

Fortunately those screenshots I saw and I was uncapable to recognize correctly were just images of Kickstart... NO OS 4.0 at all...                                                      

And DBAlex he was just incidentally a person who had the hardware needed to perform the test..

And DBALex just was asked by many people here on this forum (me too) to test the alien loader on his machine, because we all want to prove if that loader was a real thing or a fake...  :rtfm:

He could not be held responsible if the loader we asked him to test, then functioned and revealed to be a working version of something we could n't still affirm being a real loader or nothing impotant ...

[A1260]

read here you pirates!...

taken from aw.net

Hi.

Regarding the thread about the project Moana files, I'd like to point out some facts that I would like to acknowledge as an AW.net moderator.
First of all, I'm the author of said port, done over an year ago on behalf of ACube, you can contact me directly at email removed .

In the thread I'm referring to, you (and others) are discussing the content of the CD, some even had it running on MacMinis. Such ISO image not only contains parts of OS4 (a commercial product) but also contain modules that are NOT part of either OS4 for A1 nor Classic, and are fully copyrighted by me. I never gave permission to anyone, least this AmigaMac guy, to distribute these files. So owning and using those modules is breaching my intellectual property (IP) and is a clear act of piracy.
So unless Aw.net is a forum which allows and is favorable to piracy, I suggest you post a notice on said thread and stop discussing about it. You can quote this message if you want.

As you probably have seen by the european lawsuit, between me, the two Friedens and against Hyperion and AInc, I'm more than willing to protect my IP from piracy or any other form of unauthorized use.

For the record, that ISO image was obtained from a stolen laptop and there is a police report about that (in the USA). That AmigaMac guy is not some benefactor, he's a criminal.

So far I hadn't written or posted anything because I didn't want to stir up more mess that it was already, and because the (micro) kernel on that ISO image will crash after few minutes of intensive use.

But seeing one of the moderators of Aw.net happily displaying a list of stolen files seems an endorsement of piracy from AW.net. I can't let it pass.

read more here -> http://tinyurl.com/39mseh

 :angry:

[giZmo350]

@BooBoo1200

Well, I copied the files back from the CD that I created the ISO from, to a folder on my desktop. Then copied devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd to my desktop, added the extension to create devs\usb\hcd\ohci.usbhcd_deb (I left _safe and .usbhcd there and just added _deb - cause I want to try both and the loader might need both the old ones).

I then simply burned another CD from the folder but now the loader won't even load and says that the environment is to too small. Do I need to create another ISO from the newly created folder then reburn that ISO to CD to get it to work? Are there some hidden files that I can't see? (Yes, I have "see all hidden files" turned on in WinXP.

Anyhoo....  I'm done messing with this today to get ready for the New Year's festivities!  :-D  I'll report back more tomorrow (or the next day - depending on how I feel tomorrow! hahahahahaha!

Happy New Year all!   :-)