Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[maffoo]

A1260 wrote:
Unfortunately for you the OS4 fans, that dont seem to understand this not being a hoax is definitely not a very good thing. Instead you are mostly cheering. You all is too stupid to see the big picture. Reminds me of Lemmings.

The probability of new lawsuits materializing between old and new players has greatly increased.

DBAlex has now actually helped Amiga Inc, I think we have not seen any court document on this matter because it has not been proved working, now that Amiga Inc have proof you can expect a document stating HOW Hyperion has NOT been able to protect their IP and moving their Amiga Inc's operating system to another hardware that is not licenced, aka not AmigaOne. Amiga Inc probably have a copy of the leaked iso also.  

Now Hyperion will go down and lose in court and your beloved AOS4.0 will be forever trapped.

Good luck in killing of AOS!!

 :-x

OS4 couldn't be in a worse position than it already is (no hardware available for it to run on other than ancient hardware and the occasional second-hand A1.) This could encourage more development for OS4, increasing the market and encouraging AInc to actually release new hardware instead of just promising it. People may then buy the new hardware rather than rely on out-of-production PPC Macs.

[theformula]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34vtuSFw97Q

[Vlabguy1]

Ok so the Mac Mini..were sold As 1.25, 1.42 respectively..but in reality you might have gotten a 1.33, or 1.5?  interesting..Seems to me that the CPU speed is not really a factor here but rather the 64megs of video ram, which seems to be the common factor here..

And..mm..who knows if 128mb of vram will work, as say with an old G3,G4 mac.

worth trying I suppose.
I bet most people didnt even realize that when buying there 1.25, 1.42 mini..that their machine..might be just a bit faster..

[BooBoo1200]

Just to clarify the Minis with upgraded CPU  1.33, or 1.5 will always have 64 Mb-vram as well? and never come with 32mb-vram?

[DBAlex]

@BooBoo1200

Yup, they all shipped with 64mb.

Alex. :-D

[BTW you can find some of these Mini's for sale on Ebay.co.uk... However don't expect anything big yet, I only have the kernel booting of course... Its gonna take some work to push further]

 

[giZmo350]

Yea, the whole "silent" upgrade from Apple really chapped my thighs! Shortly after getting my Mini with 256MB of system RAM I realized that I better get cracking on a 1GB stick. It took me a year to get a decent price on ebay. Sure, I could have bought straight from Apple or Kingston, but at a hefty price. You may all want to start looking for 1GB sticks too.

Anyone remember back on 9/12/2005 that I was the first on A.O to ask about OS4 on the MacMini? LOL

Will OS4 run on the MacMini?

I also inquired about the final of OS4 running on machines that would require an accelerator (because there just aren't enough Blizzards to go around and that the price of a Blizzard would skyrocket and that it would hurt sales of OS4!). I was told "No, OS4 final will NOT require an accelerator". RIGHT! Well, over two years later, here we are clammoring for hardware!  :lol:  I knew this would happen!

@Alex, I too went to bed late and got up first thing I woke up to check this thread! I'm still in my robe, had 3 ciggys, 3 cups of java and need a shower! HAHAHAHA!

[AmiGR]

[BTW you can find some of these Mini's for sale on Ebay.co.uk... However don't expect anything big yet, I only have the kernel booting of course... Its gonna take some work to push further]

Well, if I suddenly find enough money to throw away on a Mini I'll buy a copy of OS4 and try it out. I have enough experience of constructing weird AmigaOS distributions from scratch to handle this, if all drivers work.

[spinal]

I only have a 3g imac, no hope for me then

[Hans_]

HenryCase wrote:
@Hans
If UBoot powers up the system and tests it before handing control to OS4, then it already has the hardware drivers loaded, right (otherwise it would limit the tests it could perform)? If the hardware drivers are loaded by UBoot, why would OS4 then go to the trouble of loading them again? If your description is accurate then Hyperion have shot themselves in the foot by not using the most efficient loading method.

No OS (not even windows) uses the BIOS drivers for more than is absolutely necessary. The VGABios is great for displaying text-mode graphics, but not much else. Likewise, the BIOS IDE drivers are pretty much the bare minimum needed to read the disks. These drivers aren't Amiga OS drivers at all. A BIOS's job is to initialize the hardware, provide a means for loading an OS, and then should disappear.

This is completely different from computers such as the classic Amiga, in which the core of the OS is held in ROM, and the machine isn't designed to run any other OS.

Hans

[Hans_]

A1260 wrote:
Unfortunately for you the OS4 fans, that dont seem to understand this not being a hoax is definitely not a very good thing. Instead you are mostly cheering. You all is too stupid to see the big picture. Reminds me of Lemmings.

The probability of new lawsuits materializing between old and new players has greatly increased.

DBAlex has now actually helped Amiga Inc, I think we have not seen any court document on this matter because it has not been proved working, now that Amiga Inc have proof you can expect a document stating HOW Hyperion has NOT been able to protect their IP and moving their Amiga Inc's operating system to another hardware that is not licenced, aka not AmigaOne. Amiga Inc probably have a copy of the leaked iso also.  

Now Hyperion will go down and lose in court and your beloved AOS4.0 will be forever trapped.

Good luck in killing of AOS!!

 :-x

If Amiga Inc. had any semblance of intelligence, they'd see a demand for Amiga OS4 on any hardware.

BTW, it's not a leaked copy of OS4; we know that it contains - apparently old versions of - Moana code, but we don't know if it's an actual project Moana ISO (I doubt it). Claiming that Hyperion is covertly shifting their OS to another system is a real stretch. Added to this, no-one's managed to swipe any OS4 source-code; the ISO contains binaries only. There is no software company in existence that has managed to prevent the unauthorized spread of binaries.

Hans

[motorollin]

A1260 wrote:
Good luck in killing of AOS!!

 :-x

Oh give it a rest. AmigaOS is already dead unless some of the talented developers in Amiga world can run it. If those people can't get hold of an A1 or a PPC board then that's not going to happen. OS4 running on cheaper hardware is the only way it's got a chance.

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moto

[Zac67]

Actually, enabling additional hardware to run AOS4 breathes some new life into the platform - with so few PPC boards around.

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

[motorollin]

Zac67 wrote:
Actually, enabling additional hardware to run AOS4 breathes some new life into the platform - with so few PPC boards around.

My point exactly :-)

--
moto

[spihunter]

@1260,

Explain to me how not allowing 75% of your potential user base to use your new OS in an already tiny market is a good thing?

Our "beloved" AOS 4.0 cannot get any more trapped then it is right now!

[MarkWatson]

This is exciting stuff. Shame its not official, but if it sells more AmigaOS 4 copies thats a good thing...

I have high hopes for my PowerMac Mirror Drive Door Dual 1.25... Its got a Radeon 9000Pro and 64MB VRAM. I expect it won't init the 2nd CPU and there are numerous other slight hardware differences under the hood, but its pretty similar on the surface. Depends how much it hits it and how much it relies on openfirmware etc for init. Anyone tried one?

Just to clarify, because I'm a bit swamped by posts here. Its a patch to the Classic edition right?

Thanks,

Mark

[humppa]

Shame its not official, but if it sells more AmigaOS 4 copies thats a good thing...

Provided that it even runs with the Classic-version of OS4.
AFAIK, the A1-version of OS4 isn't/never was on sale (only bundled with the hw).