Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[zhulien]

if OS4 was to be made on any non-Amiga PPC-based hardware, I'd rather see it on the PS3... although not very popular (at least here in Australia) the PS3 is unlikely to disappear any time soon...

[beller]

@monami

Dude, I haven't a clue what you're ranting on about.  I've been a Mac user since Commodore abandonded us all in the '90s.  I've got a slew of older Macs here (dual G5, a flower pot iMac, even an old 6500, and an Intel mini, not to mention an old Classic 68000)  All of them are capable of doing something useful, and most run OS X quite well.

Take a breath, it's not Apple who's caused this pain you appear to be experiencing...

[monami]

i don't like the way they do buisness it may suit the american market but not here. i'm not impressed with the apple user experience. and i can see why they would keep any other os off their systems if they could. constant os upgrade is as bad as the constant pc hardware upgrade. i wouldn't complain if was free. they don't support their own hardware reasonably... the cube, g3 floppy drive on os x, drop support for non apple ppc upgrade cards yadda yadda. a ps3 is a better platform than a mac. but i would prefer os 4 on a mac. and get some justification for the crap apple sell.

[Fizza]

Agafaster wrote:
I seem to remember AIncs reasoning (back when we still liked 'em) that they couldnt do a version for PowerMacs cos of apple never being likely to release the info required to not do a hack, which is effectively what the Linux crew did to get linux on powermacs. now, Linux is community software, and AInc are (for want of a better word !) a company, which would leave them wide open for being sued should they market the technology to run an alternate commercial OS on a closed platform. also, it wouldnt be in Apples best interest to have a better OS (as at the time, OS4 was better than their offering, natch !) on THEIR platform.

upshot: technically, very doable. legally ? potential bl00dy minefield for everybody but Apple.

I was always on the understanding that the hack would come from a third party, either shareware or whateverelseware. If so, then there would be no legal ramifications for Amiga Inc, Hyperion or Apple, although I'm not sure why Apple would be bothered, fair play OS4 is nice, but I'd imagine if Apple were worried right now about their OS being thrown off the machine, it would be Linux, or even Windows that they'd be concerned about. Amiga's probably not on their radar whatsoever.

Basically some cunning person(s) come up with the way to get it running, and we all just go out and buy boxes of OS4 and take it from there. Although I guess, the main concern now is whether OS4 Classic can be made to run, and/or the availability of the 'normal' OS4, is that still being sold?

[amigadave]

Fizza wrote:

I was always on the understanding that the hack would come from a third party, either shareware or whateverelseware. If so, then there would be no legal ramifications for Amiga Inc, Hyperion or Apple, although I'm not sure why Apple would be bothered, fair play OS4 is nice, but I'd imagine if Apple were worried right now about their OS being thrown off the machine, it would be Linux, or even Windows that they'd be concerned about. Amiga's probably not on their radar whatsoever.

Basically some cunning person(s) come up with the way to get it running, and we all just go out and buy boxes of OS4 and take it from there. Although I guess, the main concern now is whether OS4 Classic can be made to run, and/or the availability of the 'normal' OS4, is that still being sold?

Yes, the "Hack" must come from a third party that cannot be identified.  It must be anonymously released, or "Leaked" to the public and further improved anonymously as well to protect those persons from any litigation from AInc., or Apple.  It must include all the drivers needed for the specific Mac model that it is intended to be installed onto.

I am sure it can be done, and also believe that it has already been done, as reported, on a MacMini.  I don't know how "refined" and bug free the port to the MacMini is/was, or how much work it took to get OS4 running on top of, or booted in place of the MacOS.  I am positive that if, or when the hack becomes available, it will make a huge impact on the number of sales of Hyperion's OS4.  

Someone mentioned that the version of OS4 that was probably running on the MacMini was not the same as the recently released for sale version for Classic Amigas with CyberStorm or Blizzard PPC accelerators.  I agree with that assumption, but that does not mean that a hack or patch to the version that is currently selling can't be done.

Again I will ask for the person, or persons that were responsible for getting OS4 to run on a MacMini to somehow "Leak" the code necessary to make it possible to run OS4 on PPC Macs to the Amiga community.

If that does not happen, then perhaps another very smart developer can duplicate the work required to run OS4 on PPC Macs and release it, or sell it to the hundreds (and hopefully thousands) of Amiga users and curious Mac and Windows users that want to find out what all the buzz is about that OS4 users have been and will be shouting about with excitement in their "Internet voices".

OS4 on PPC Macs will be a great day for the Amiga community!

[persia]

Trying to enforce Eula is a double edge sword, the jury really could go either way.  On the one hand a lawsuit might scare someone small, but if they threaten someone with big money and it actually goes to court and they loose, eula is dead.  So the key for the software companies is to make it enough of a threat to scare without ever actualy making it to court.

[A1260]

sorry to say it but it need to be said.... there will never be amiaos for mac, period!... so stop this silliness now!

[EDanaII]

Yup. Just like there's never gonna be Mac on Intel, or Mac on non-mac hardware...

[Wolfe]

amigadave wrote:

motorollin wrote:
I'm not counting on Hyp/AInc/ACube doing anything official. And I too am worried that there will be no future releases of OS4. So I have ordered a copy in anticipation of an unofficial "fix" being released which will allow it to run on a PPC Mac.
moto

I don't advocate piracy of any kind, but in this case I wish the person(s) who have figured out how to run OS4 on a MacMini would "accidentally" leak that information and/or code to the Net.  It would then be used with the same OS4 package that is being sold for the Classic PPC Amigas and would explode the sales of OS4 to ten times what is selling now.

It makes sense, as they are not making any money on proprietary hardware with the Classic version of OS4, so why not make money for sales of Classic OS4 to be used on any PPC Mac?

This is exactly what needs to happen for OS4, and Hyperion cannot be held liable . . .  :-D

[leirbag28]

@Everyone

Kronos wrote:
No need to start another lawsuit-thread, but ...

AInc thinks they have bought OS4 back in 2003, making every copy sold by Hyperion afterwards illegal.

Hyperion thinks that they now have a full/unlimited licence not just to the OS but also to all trademarks, meaning they don't have to pay royalities anymore (and neither would potential HW-partners).

If I were McBill I wouldn't even consider giving out licence until all that is cleared up.
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One of the statements made that was so simply put wonderfully put.......this is very very true what Kronos said, and this has to be taken care of...........otherwise things will get much worse.

Don't matter who is the bad guy here. I hope Hyperion gets their money, but I hope Amiga Inc get their OS4 license and trademarks back...........it definitely belongs to Amiga Inc and we all know it........Hyperion need to get payed for their source code and some of the profits of OS4 and thats that.

[persia]

At this point there have been so many contracts, bankruptcies, name changes and sales I don't know who owns what.  SCOs a good example, the original SCO owned Unix, the new SCO only owned a right to produce Unix System V.  Same name, but the rights to their OS were transfered to Novel.

It'll take years to figure out who owns what.  Hyperion could just release their de-dongled OS 4.  If they lose the court case with Amiga they're toast anyway, they might as well go out in style

[recidivist]

 We might be better off with a Mac_PPC AROS or whatever.

Maybe write Amiga "themes" for Linux OSes ?

[persia]

We are better off with OS 4 on old Macs because you pay US$700 for an Amiga 603e card which makes a G3 look blindingly fast.  You can pick up full PPC (G4 and G5) Macs, Monitor, Keyboard, mouse, for less than that.  It's a way to run OS4 without paying serious money for serious trash.

The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

[Wolfe]

recidivist wrote:
 We might be better off with a Mac_PPC AROS or whatever.

Maybe write Amiga "themes" for Linux OSes ?

AROS, is due to hit prime time in 2010 IMO.  Thats too long to wait.  :devildance:

Linux  :headwall:  :headwall: with Amiga themes is still Linux  :smack:
Yuck . . .  :destroy:  :flame:  :ponder:   :horse:  Say goodbye . .  :violin:

[Agafaster]

I know, I was just stating why AInc never did it - back when we still liked em.

of course, if a 3rd party hack came out, I'll be saving for a G4 powerbook !

availability of the 'normal' OS4, is that still being sold?

dunno, but if enough people requested to buy it...

[monami]

(up a few posts.) i think writing a theme for linux would be nice. but is a last resort!

i am a skint flint and resent apple a bit but if amiga os was on ppc mac i would buy it and a mac. i know at least development would still be around for it in the amiga community. and so would be around for a long time unlike apple's you need a new mac, osx won't run on it pollicy, every year...

also i remember making this comment way back when. when eyetech was coming out with the amiga one and people were saying why can't we just run it in a ppc mac! oh well. :-)

failing all this development things seems to be happening quicker with aros. i was also pinning my hopes on that. just need a browser now...