The Best Amiga Computer Is An A3000?

[Tripitaka]

Are you lot still arguing?
I'm with Chaos Lord, 1200T all the way!!




....but given the choice between 3 or 4,000 I'd pick aa A4000T every time.

[amiga92570]

Starrfoxx wrote:
I never had a 3000, but I do have a couple of 4000d's.  I personally think that WinUAE is the best Amiga, because it's the cheapest solution.   :-D

Too bad it can't run the Video Toaster though, otherwise it would be perfect for what I want.

What WinUAE, Ugly case, no hardware support, no scsi, etc, etc... :lol:

[Crumb]

@amiga92570

Most amiga 4000s did not come with buster 11 except for 4000T.

That's strange because I know literally dozens of A4000 users and just one had to upgrade his buster.

I think AGA is pretty useless as most of the good games run on RTG anyway.

Take a look at:
http://ada.untergrund.net/
Count the number of AGA productions and the number of OCS/ECS ones...

You have to buy 3.1 for all amigas except 4000T

Yeah, but OS3.0 is much more useful than OS2.x. A4000 is much more useful OOTB. In addition to that OS3.0 equipped A4000 doesn't have pagination problems with older ramsey versions like OS2.x A3000

The 3640 REV 3.1 and above has no problems with 3000 providing you have 3.1 roms.

That's false as if you use a DMAC v1 you would have to upgrade to DMAC v2 at least to avoid problems. At least a DMAC v2 is mandatory. You would also have to upgrade to Buster11 and you should also use a Rev3.1 A3640.

I think if you want to play around with the Amiga computer platform, just try to buy something that works and doesn't strain your budget,

With A3000 you will have to waste lots of money. In contrast an A4000 is better value for your money.

[A4000_Mad]

Wow! What a great thread. I've never had an A3000 but have heard from owners of them that they are a bit of a beast to get into and and work on, and about those troublesome Zips.

Judging by what I've read I would have to agree with the likes of alexh and Crumb :-D :-D :-D

That said, I do plan to add an A3000 to my collection at some point out of curiosity :pint:

Oh..... And I certainly wouldn't be without an A1200 Desktop  8-)

[Starrfoxx]

amiga92570 wrote:

What WinUAE, Ugly case, no hardware support, no scsi, etc, etc... :lol:

My tower case is very pretty, it supports my hardware, but alas.... eh, I have no SCSI.  You got me there. :lol:

[downix]

You guys are making me want to break out the A4000 mobo and 030 CPU card for it now.

Needs the riser tho.

[adonay]

amiga92570 wrote:

What WinUAE, Ugly case, no hardware support, no scsi, etc, etc... :lol:

Just buy a UWSCSI controller for your PC and you are good to go . Dont be delusional did you really think amiga is the only computer to have SCSI ? Would i then scare you saying the PC computer has far more superior SCSI hardware .... Just Format a SCSI harddrive on your PCscsi chain with an Amiga partition and run UAE whoops UAE has scsi .. As for ugly case you can choose what ever case you want and they will all fit your mobo..

[McVenco]

Crumb wrote:

That's strange because I know literally dozens of A4000 users and just one had to upgrade his buster.

I've had 2 A4000s with Buster 9. I still own one of these, and it even has a soldered Buster 9, rather than a socketed one. So Yay for not being able to upgrade it...

[alexh]

Acill wrote:
[A4000 series]resulted in a even poorer model in the end. How many have seen the cost reduced version of the A4000?

I have an A4000D-CR and an A4000D RevB and I can say that the A4000D-CR is better. It has an 030 CPU and FPU on the motherboard, so if your accelerator ever blows up you've automatically got a spare. Standard PC CR2032 battery which very rarely leak. Improved PSU.

Acill wrote:
Oh and for those saying the A3000 cant take a mediator? I think you better look again, mine has one in it

Wow, you have an A3000D in an original desktop case with a mediator, you must have the only one!! ;-)

[amiga92570]

I used to Service Amigas and most 4000D came with buster REV 9. DMAC REV 1 was not officially used in 3000. 3000's came with dmac rev 2. The only thing that used DMAC rev 1 was a2091. All my 3000's have buster 11, ramsey-07, and DMAC-04 anyway. But, most of this is useless banter anyway. Since the system is obsolete most of the still functioning computers have most of the upgrades already. I know if I were to sell any of my Amiga computers it would take me a while to decide which to sell, because I think they are all perfect. I have 2 3000T's, 1 4000D, 2 1200, and 1 3000D with PPC's. I am looking to test which works best with OS 4.0.

[Crumb]

@McVenco

Buster9 is still faster than Buster6/7 :-P Maybe Michael Boehmer makes it work with DMA with his Deneb card. We'll see. What is clear is that Buster6/7 don't have DMA support and are slower.


@amiga92570

David Haynie said some A3000 also came with dmac rev 2.

All my 3000's have buster 11, ramsey-07, and DMAC-04 anyway.

lucky {bleep} ;-)

I am looking to test which works best with OS 4.0.

I have tested A3000/A4000/A4000T/A1200 and all of them work very well. Use big box ones as CSPPC uwscsi controller is supported.

[adolescent]

Crumb wrote:
What is clear is that Buster6/7 don't have DMA support and are slower.

Zorro III DMA.  And that only stops you from using a Fastlane or an A4091.  Which have issues in a buster rev9 A4000 also.

For the record, my A4000 had a rev9 buster, but was upgraded to a rev11 (re-soldered, as it wasn't socketed).  My A3000 has a rev11, but I've never needed to upgrade the ramsey and DMAC chips.  It's worked well with the old PP&S Mercury and now CSMK2 as well as the A4091.

[adolescent]

amiga92570 wrote:
I think AGA is pretty useless as most of the good games run on RTG anyway.

Funniest thing I've read in a long time. :lol:  (Or, maybe sad  if you're serious...)

[amiga92570]

I am glad someone got a laugh. :-D

[Homer]

Anyway, the best Amiga is MY Amiga  :lol:

[Zac67]

alexh wrote:

Did you know the A3000+ didn't have a scandoubler either?

Duh! You're absolutely right - never noticed that.

Then it's obviously the A4000T - best non-expanded, in expandability, one of the best in looks.