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Offline Akiko

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #74 from previous page: November 25, 2007, 03:37:20 AM »
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I don't care which way anyone looks at it, from a Classic Amiga point of view the silence about the lack of Classic Amiga developed hardware support has been disgraceful, and we should have been told in plenty of time, to prepare us for the situation.  


Obviously you haven't been reading forums, Rogue has stated for years it would be quite impossible to support every classic configuration, mostly because of the crude or hacky methods implemented by some manufactures, mediator being a prime example.

If you don't have compatible hardware then it's unfortunate, but don't turn around and say you should have been warned earlier, when it has been repeated many times on the "official" OS4 forums.
 

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2007, 03:43:13 AM »
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I see your point, but why are we only getting to know this information, 2 weeks before release. Why were we not told about 4 years ago by Hyperion that the hardware such as the BlizzardPPC or CyberstormPPC board would more than likely not be supported.


 :-? PlizzardPPC and CyberstormPPC boards are supported. Otherwise OS4 simply wouldn't run on any classic Amiga. Moreover, how would they have known 4 years ago which particular peripherals weren't going to be supported? That's completely unrealistic. Rogue mentioned several times (over on AW.net) that they would not support the DMA hack that Mediator boards use. IIRC, it is possible to use the Mediator's own drivers, but then you'll have to use all 68k drivers as there's no way to mix native and 68k ones. Also, it's still possible that someone will write the necessary drivers.

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2007, 01:17:30 PM »
Have had an email from Amigakit about the release of OS4.0 for classics so I assume they are now taking orders.
 

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2007, 01:01:06 PM »
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Elbox coders have been on OS4-beta list for years. If they don't create native OS4 PPC versions of their drivers it's clearly Elbox fault.

Hyperion told us years ago that BlizzardPPC version was going to be released *after* CyberstormPPC version because A1200 version required more drivers and testing. Instead of making all the A1200 users wait, Hyperion gives you the chance of testing it *now*. They could have perfectly released just the CSPPC version and make A1200 users wait one year instead of releasing both CSPPC and BlizzardPPC versions in just one pack.
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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2007, 11:58:20 AM »
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Have you got round to testing Voodoo 5500 yet?
 

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2007, 12:11:15 PM »
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Hmmm... no A3000 SCSI... damn!

Why damn?!

To run AOS4 in A3000 you need a CSPPC so you have a 10x better SCSI controller on that, why use anything else?
 

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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2007, 01:14:18 PM »
@ nearly right

some of us can't use it at all. hang back and wait for a mac hack version. the hardware will be sadly better and cheaper.

i feel that alot of what goes on in the amiga market place is pretty deceptive and evasive so glad i haven't paid the earth for all the things that were touted... and yes why couldn't drivers be written for release day like with ms? mmm... but then it's a small platform give it time. a who knows the best ever hardware and software may be around the corner. :-)
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Re: OS4 compatibility list
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2007, 10:14:04 PM »
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by Akiko on 2007/11/25 3:37:20

Obviously you haven't been reading forums, Rogue has stated for years it would be quite impossible to support every classic configuration, mostly because of the crude or hacky methods implemented by some manufactures, mediator being a prime example.


It's not right saying it's my fault, that I should read posts in the forum. Hyperion ( & Amiga Inc.) are producing a major upgrade to the Amiga OS. It should be they who should clearly publicise where they are up to with their work on porting it to Classic PPC supported hardware, such as in any/all the current Amiga magazines. Not 2 weeks before release. Even if they did not put articles in Amiga magazines, there is NO excuse for them not keeping Classic Amiga users "in the loop", which of course they have not done. They could have had information on their own websites, about any problems with converting hardware or software. I feel this is mainly because they saw the Classic machine as a backward step, and really did not want the task of trying to work out how each hybrid add-on could be modified to work under OS4, and wanted to have a new machine only, capable of performing well with modern architecture, which though understandable is not what was being asked of them initially.

These problems with the on-board SCSI have not just appeared overnight. The Cyberstorm, and Blizzard boards were around, and were part of the equation when OS4 was initiated, so don't throw that one around as it just doesn't measure up.

In fact in the 4 years of development, I have seen ZIP, NALA, nothing in the Amiga press about where exactly, or more precisely, where they were not exactly up to, from either Hyperion, or Amiga Inc.

Magazines are much more widely read, and it is much easier to view or understand a written article, rather than trying to search out a thread of somekind on a forum in one or more of the many Amiga forums.

It is not possible to watch, read every thread about OS4, and if that had been said on this site then I missed it, but my point still stands. Hyperion should have been publicising these facts, about their work, and any help they had received, or lack of it, from any other Amiga associated hardware or software suppliers.

I also do not see how you can say that the Mediator is a crude/hacky piece of hardware, as that implies it being unstable. I have not seen a better produced piece of hardware/software for the Amiga that has enabled many Amiga users obtain graphics, sound, Ethernet, TV/Radio cards, etc. and there has not been any other similar piece of hardware produced that supports the Amiga as well. I am sure many Amiga users would have left the Amiga completely without such hardware, which is one of the reasons I remained keen on Amigas. With regard to it's inner workings of course I do not know, and I am fairly sure no-one does, outside of Elbox.

The fact that the Mediator does not have built-in DMA is a disappointment, but when the board was designed I am not sure that that would have been much of a concern to it's designers, but someone on another forum has said that they have spoken to someone at Elbox who gave the impression that this problem could be overcome, so that would be good news, if true. :-)

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when it has been repeated many times on the "official" OS4 forums.



Where are these "official" OS4 forums, please point me to an "official" OS4 Amiga Inc. or Hyperion forum that has made this information available ?

There are none, what you are describing is "official-vapourweb".

The only article that I can find so far, that I know I read before is at, http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=en_OS4_Classics which was contributed by Darren Glenn. I also remember reading an article at this same website http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=709 this article/forum was started on 16-May-2004, and a question was asked about the Mediator on 15-Aug-2005, but was not responded to, and Rogue is a member of this site, so why was this question not answered way back then?

UPDATE: 28-12-2007

Well it's now almost a month since I posted this comment, but there is still no update from Rogue, or Akiko, and no solutions to many of the questions that Amiga users have asked, who spent their money on OS4 Classic Amiga for PPC hardware.

There are many flaws with the installation procedure of OS4 for Classic Amigas, and as yet I cannot find any "hot-fixes" spoken of on other forums by Rogue and still not available on Hyperion's site, or anywhere else as far as I know, and yes I have registered my copy.

So far, as far as I am concerned, this is the worst release of Amiga OS that has ever taken place, up to this point.

My comments though some may think do little to help our situation is the truth, I am sorry to have to say, as far as I see it.

I'd like to see, or be offered a ray of hope for the OS4 Classic Amiga PPC future, so anyone with some good news, it would be great to hear from you.