OS4 compatibility list

[Lemmink]

OK, nothing wrong with an PII itself, but who would put a Zorro II GFX card into a PPC Amiga ?? Well it is kind of cool to see OS4 making use of such old hardware though.

[A4000_Mad]

who would put a Zorro II GFX card into a PPC Amiga ??

A madman like me I guess :lol: I've had a CV64, a CV64/3D and a CyberstormPPC 604e in the same A4000 for months  :-D

[redfox]

:cry: No A2000HD compatibility?



redfox
MicroA1 (OS4.0)
A2000HD (OS3.1)

[Markus_Bieler]

No A2000HD compatibility?

I think Its not worth to develop for the small amount of ppc-developerboards, I guess.

But no onboard SCSI (A4000T) thats bad.
And the concierto on the PicasoIV isn't mentioned at all?

I think I have to wait for the first BoingBag :-)

Markus

[Akiko]

But no onboard SCSI (A4000T) thats bad.

I don't see this as big problem since the majority of users won't have onboard SCSI anyway, and those that do there is already faster SCSI solution built into the CSPPC.

And the concerto on the PicasoIV isn't mentioned at all?

Yes thats strange, Rogue had mentioned before there was currently no support for Paloma TV cards, so I guess that's true for concerto too.

[adonay]

I am confused how will the speed on the voodoo3 "mediator" be in Os4 compared to Bvision. As they did mention something about DMA hack = ZERO ... Will you have any speed by it at all ..

But no onboard SCSI (A4000T) thats bad.

No it is not bad the onboard ide sux compared to the UWSCSI 3 on the CSPPC

[Markus_Bieler]

No it is not bad the onboard ide sux compared to the UWSCSI 3 on the CSPPC

Actually I'm talking about the onboard SCSI, not the IDE.

I agree that the SCSI-Controller on the CSPPC is much faster than the NCR-SCSI of the A4000T board, but I don't like to put all 50pin SCSI-devieces onto the 68pin UW3 string. And I have a lot (1GB-HD, 4,2GB-HD, SyQuest200, Ricoh burner, Yahama burner and Scanmaker E3)

Markus

[Boot_WB]

Nearly-Right wrote:
... or even go online, unless I buy a network card that plugs into the PCMCIA card slot, and of course buy a 90 degree PCMCIA adapter so I can put it in my tower. Is this an improvement over using my PCI Ethernet card . . . I don't think so.

I believe that you can use an RTL8029 ethernet card on your mediator bus, although of course it is only a 10Mb/s card.
Not much consolation, but hey - at least you don't need that 90 degree pcmcia adapter.
Also, I'm under the impression that all the onboard devices are supported, ie native sound through Paula.
Better to ask someone who's been a beta tester though.
Also, perhaps better to pressure Elbox into porting their proprietary drivers to OS4 rather than the OS4 developers who, as far as I know, have insufficient documentation to do the job.
Regards



Rich

[adonay]

Markus_Bieler wrote:

No it is not bad the onboard ide sux compared to the UWSCSI 3 on the CSPPC

Actually I'm talking about the onboard SCSI, not the IDE.

I agree that the SCSI-Controller on the CSPPC is much faster than the NCR-SCSI of the A4000T board, but I don't like to put all 50pin SCSI-devieces onto the 68pin UW3 string. And I have a lot (1GB-HD, 4,2GB-HD, SyQuest200, Ricoh burner, Yahama burner and Scanmaker E3)

Markus

Sorry did i write IDE i meant SCSI 4KT. You should change the SCSI You will be impressed by the speed difference i know it will be alot of work but belive me its worth it..

[Crumb]

@Lemmink

Who had the mad idea to test the old Picasso II or the other Zorro II GFX cards under OS4

ACube guys still haven't added my latest cards tested... expect a GVP EGS Spectrum 24 listed very soon ;-P

@Markus_Bieler

A4000T scsi is useless since uwscsi is much faster and you can connect everything to you csppc directly.

ConciertoIV used to work in previous betas but I haven't tested the ultra-latest CD so that's the reason it's not yet in the compatibility list. I have to asure that it works with the latest CD.

BTW PalomaIV also works, but the list needs to be updated.

ACube guys are busy so let them work ;-)

@Nearly-Right

you are a troll, but I'll feed you a little...

-Elbox are the ones who should get proper DMA in their PCI busboards. And also the ones who should write stable drivers for their busboards. If their PCI DMA implementation is rubbish it's not Hyperion's fault. Elbox is free to release updated drivers that support OS4. I mean... Mediator1200 sucks. G-Rex has nicer points but Ralph Schmidt won't provide docs so it's not possible to use that.

-Spider is already useless and unsupported by Poseidon, so no reason to rant.

-You can use Highway. IIRC correctly poseidon worked inside OS4 with Subway but maybe someone tests that

-If you really, really care about sound quality, you probably won't be using a SB128. Since you think a SB128 is "great quality", you will be able to buy (yeah, it costs 10€ on eBay and 20€ new, don't be a rat) a Terratec128i when the driver becomes more stable. You can use paula to hear sounds while you wait. It's better than no sound I think.

-8029 are dead cheap. 8139 was as slow as 8029 on Mediator1200. The SDK is free to download, if you are so clever you can write your own driver. I prefer to use RTL8029 as I don't like to use my gfx card memory to store network stuff (bizarre! isn't it?)

-Not having scsi on BlizzardPPC sucks. But not having OS4 sucks even more. You can wait until a scsi driver is developed (maybe in a boing bag). In the meanwhile people who don't think OS4 sucks can enjoy it. You can wait shouting "OS4 sucks", switch to Linux or whatever you want (I won't care)

-Compatibility is VERY good. Most of cards I own work. I have a big tower amiga, that's different than 1200-sandwitch-of-hacky-cards machines. Simply compare the number of supported graphic cards with e.g. MorphOS powerUp (no offense guys, you did a great job too).

-BTW... you could probably disable OS4 PCI library and use elbox drivers under emulation but you would probably not like it and would complain anyway.

-You could sell your "sucky" amiga classic and buy a "sucky" A1 or Pegasos. These modern machines also "suck" because nVidia cards don't work, but you may make an user happy since he could be able to run OS4.


You can simply wait until boing bag #45617 is released to buy it. ATM I prefer to buy it now and use it now with the current hardware support. More native drivers are going to appear from 3rd party coders and hardware support could improve in the future.

Take a look at MOS Team. The first powerUP 1.4.x release didn't support CV3d/CV64/PicassoIV but they added support in the latest versions.

[Akiko]

BTW PalomaIV also works, but the list needs to be updated

Well that's put a big smile on my face  :-D

[AndrewBell]

Nearly-Right wrote:
So you would have an up-to-date OS4 with access to maybe 4 IDE devices, and 24 bit graphics on an A1200 with a Mediator, THAT'S IT.

I only have 4 devices on my SCSI-UW chain, works fine for me. 2 HD, a CD-RW and a ZIP drive. What else do you need?

If it was not for the VooDoo card support I might as well just throw the Mediator card away for the support it gets from OS4.

At least it's supported. The Prometheus seems to have even less support, and the G-Rex has none at all.

So switch the machine on, look at the pretty pictures , and see how fast the machine boots . . . then re-boot it and have another look at that OS4, WOW . . that really was worth all the wait.

If OS4 is really that useless to you, why the hell have you been waiting for it?

So I can sit at home look at a great OS, but not be able to use my USB digital camera, or SCSI scanner, or SCSI hard drives, or listen to any music, or even go online, unless I buy a network card that plugs into the PCMCIA card slot, and of course buy a 90 degree PCMCIA adapter so I can put it in my tower. Is this an improvement over using my PCI Ethernet card . . . I don't think so.

You can't expect a new OS to support every pice of hardware ever made. The bottom line is you bought the wrong equipment. My A4000/CSPPC/CVision/AriadneII are fully supported, but if they weren't I still wouldn't dismiss OS4 as a waste of time.

This really is a great INCOMPATIBILITY list

It's disappointing, but would you rather find out after you paid for OS4? At least you know what to expect.

How is anyone using OS4 going to use it with only 4 IDE devices connected to the machine? That's IF you are lucky to have an IDE add-on card supported, without work-arounds.

You only need 2 devices: a HD and a CD-ROM.

How long has this OS4 been worked on ?  Absolute ages, and now 2 weeks before it is due to be available we are told that hardware that has been around for all this time is not supported, well not at the time of availability.

Frankly it's pathetic.

No, it's because "hardware that has been around for all this time" is now ancient. Are you actually surprised that a new version of the OS needs better hardware than the last version? OS3.9 doesn't work on a stock A500. Get a clue.

I expected to see a fully formed OS4 capable of running the hardware my machine has had installed for a few years, which with OS3.9 runs very well I might add, but to get to this mediocre point of support for the Classic machine is pitiful.

Pitiful? No. OS4 is a complete break from the legacy hardware, which is why the A1 version was completed first. Only top of the range systems really get close to the A1s' capabilities. Your system is more of a mid range machine, compared to the A3000s and A4000s.

I really don't think much, if any, time has been spent over the last 4 years, developing to support the Classic Amiga A1200, maybe not even the A4000.

Of course it hasn't. The plan was to have new hardware in plentiful supply. Support for PowerUP machines was really to provide developer and testing facilities.

All the while ACube, as now is, has developed a brand new board, with no problems it would seem, other than a licence to use it, for running OS4. Their board has USB 2, modern graphics, and high quality sound built-in, and yet, has only recently become available.

So a brand new board for OS4, with many modern devices built-in, cannot be used as it has no licence. Wheras the Classic Amiga that has been around for ages, with some modern hardware designed to work with the Classic architecture, will not properly be supported by the release of OS4.

What's your point? Do you want OS4 on Classic, or OS4 on new hardware?

For me, so far it is almost as much use as OS5.

It's actually of more use. It's known to exist, will soon be available and has software written for it. OS5 is just vapour.

Go post at EAB, they'll appreciate your rant much more.
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[xeron]

@Nearly-Right

Use an 8029 instead of 8139 card if you don't want to use PCMCIA. Its not like the 8139 ever went much faster than 10Mb/s in a Mediator 1200 anyway.

Nobody said that its impossible to get TV cards working under Mediator/OS4 either, its just that there are currently no native drivers for that. It might or might not work, at this point we don't know.

At least you actually can use network (8029), sound (terratec) and graphics (voodoo) in the mediator. Would you rather there was no support at all?

Besides, if you want, you can use the elbox 68k drivers. Just remove all OS4 native drivers for mediator cards and install them like on OS3.9, they even use the native Picasso96.

Theres no need to be so hostile about it, its not like hyperion owe you anything.

[CLS2086]

nd the G-Rex has none at all.

well, nobody tries after all ?
Bvision and Cvision works so as a GREX + Permedia 2 card is seeing as the 2 previous, it should work...

[xeron]

@CLS2086
G-Rex doesn't work because the people behind the G-Rex actively refuse to give documentation to Hyperion.

The G-Rex simply doesn't work; some OS4 betatesters have G-Rex boards.

[tokyoracer]

That's my 1200 out of the equation with it's Blizz SCSI. Then again as it's only a 030 might as-well stick to 3.9. :lol: