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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #59 from previous page: July 15, 2003, 01:06:52 PM »
Not really "worst OS" but it has one feature, OS'es should NOT have...

C64 GEOS, it has copy protection, sure, you can use original disk to
just boot, and after booting, replace it with copy of it, and it does
work... Untill your original "boot disk" breaks up... Then, you cannot
access any of your works untill you get another original GEOS disk...

Sucks... I think, latest versions didn't have such protection
though...

But didn't Microsoft just introduce much similar system for Windows
XP?

You know, "artificially" prevent user from taking full backup of
(finally) working system, for easier (re-)install later...

Then, about the "good" OS'es, I guess, dr. DOS is best DOS for PC's
(Isn't it called "Freedos" nowadays?)

MS-DOS isn't that bad either; Most likely becouse it wasn't created by
Microsoft in the first place :-)

One rather new OS worth mentioning is Arachne, multitasking graphical
operating system... For unexpanded C64!

Comes with TCP/IP, Web browser and Telnet client
 

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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2003, 01:13:56 PM »
Oh, one OS worth mentioning for "bad" list:

Microsoft Windows 98

As only "big" update to previous (Windows 95) was that, it forces user
to have & use Microsoft Internet Explorer

-what kind of effect that has for general usage?

Well, it makes system eat much more memory, makes it generally MUCH
more unstabile, and if you use any better web browser, you still waste
system resources for IE, that's running in the background...

And yes, it IS loaded even, if you start Win in safe mode!

If your HD is in state, when you cannot save to HD, you cannot get it
booted, becouse Explorer keeps on crashing & reloading as it cannot
write to disk! (I DO have (bad) experiences on that...)

And as Microsoft said, "Microsoft Internet Explorer is internal part
of OS and cannot be removed"

Luckily, they were telling us (and court) bullshit, yet AGAIN!

It's dead easy to remove, with freely available programs, shouldn't be
too hard to update windows to "Microsoft Windows 98 lite without
Microsoft Internet Explorer" :-)
 

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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2003, 01:35:59 PM »
REM*****DEVILS ADVOCATE*****

10 Win 98 I have really no problems with 98
20 Setup Win 98 correctly
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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2003, 01:36:53 PM »
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I REFUSE to believe it is necessary to have that much code to turn on your computer, have a GUI, operate a mouse, ser/par port and kb. The either net card is just a port like the ser port is, does it really need that much code to work? I just don't get what's going on in there!!!!!

You have forgotten a few things...
1. OLE // application integrations and embedded application objects.
2. WOW //Legacy support.
3. Win32 //Main 32bit Windows APIs.
4. DirectX, //performance bias abstract APIs and services.
5. OBDC // to access data from a variety of database management systems.
6. Video Codecs  (shared with other applications)
7. Sound Codecs (shared with other applications)
8. HAL
9. HEL (Hardware Emulated Layer)
10.  ‘etc’

Specifics

1. Application Layer Gateway Service //Notifies selected users and computers of administrative alerts.
2. Application Layer Gateway Service //Provides support for 3rd party protocol plug-ins for Internet Connection Sharing and the Internet Connection Firewall
3. Application Management //Provides software installation services such as Assign, Publish, and Remove.
4. Automatic Updates //Enables the download and installation of critical Windows updates. If the service is disabled, the operating system can be manually updated at the Windows Update Web site.
5. Background Intelligent Transfer Service //Uses idle network bandwidth to transfer data.
6. ClipBook //Enables ClipBook Viewer to store information and share it with remote computers.
7. COM+ Event System //Supports System Event Notification Service (SENS), which provides automatic distribution of events to subscribing Component Object Model (COM) components.
8. COM+ System Application //Manages the configuration and tracking of Component Object Model (COM)+-based components.  
9. Computer Browser //Maintains an updated list of computers on the network and supplies this list to computers designated as browsers.
10. Cryptographic Services //Provides three management services: Catalog Database Service, which confirms the signatures of Windows files; Protected Root Service, which adds and removes Trusted Root Certification Authority certificates from this computer; and Key Service, which helps enroll this computer for certificates.
11. DHCP Client //Manages network configuration by registering and updating IP addresses and DNS names.
12. Distributed Link Tracking Client //Maintains links between NTFS files within a computer or across computers in a network domain.
13. Distributed Transaction Coordinator //Coordinates transactions that span multiple resource managers, such as databases, message queues, and file systems.
14. DNS Client //Resolves and caches Domain Name System (DNS) names for this computer.
15. Error Reporting Service //Allows error reporting for services and applictions running in non-standard environments.
16. Event Log //Enables event log messages issued by Windows-based programs and components to be viewed in Event Viewer. T
17. Help and Support //Enables Help and Support Center to run on this computer.
18. Human Interface Device Access //Enables generic input access to Human Interface Devices (HID), which activates and maintains the use of predefined hot buttons on keyboards, remote controls, and other multimedia devices.
19. IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service //Manages CD recording using Image Mastering Applications Programming Interface (IMAPI). If this service is stopped, this computer will be unable to record CDs.
20. Indexing Service //Indexes contents and properties of files on local and remote computers; provides rapid access to files through flexible querying language.
21. Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) //Provides network address translation, addressing, name resolution and/or intrusion prevention services for a home or small office network.
22. IPSEC Services //Manages IP security policy and starts the ISAKMP/Oakley (IKE) and the IP security driver.
23. Logical Disk Manager //Detects and monitors new hard disk drives and sends disk volume information to Logical Disk Manager Administrative Service for configuration.
24. Logical Disk Manager Administrative Service //Configures hard disk drives and volumes.
25. MS Software Shadow Copy Provider //Manages software-based volume shadow copies taken by the Volume Shadow Copy service.
26.NetMeeting Remote Desktop Sharing //Enables an authorized user to access this computer remotely by using NetMeeting over a corporate intranet.
27.Network Connections // Manages objects in the Network and Dial-Up Connections folder,
28. Network DDE //Provides network transport and security for Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) for programs running on the same computer or on different computers.
29. Network Location Awareness (NLA) //Collects and stores network configuration and location information, and notifies applications when this information changes.
30. Plug and Play //Enables a computer to recognize and adapt to hardware changes with little or no user input.
31.Portable Media Serial Number Service//Retrieves the serial number of any portable media player connected to this computer.
32.Print Spooler
33.Protected Storage //rovides protected storage for sensitive data, such as private keys, to prevent access by unauthorized services, processes, or users.
34.QoS RSVP //Provides network signaling and local traffic control setup functionality for QoS-aware programs and control applets.
35.Remote Access Auto Connection Manager //Creates a connection to a remote network whenever a program references a remote DNS or NetBIOS name or address.
36. Remote Desktop Help Session Manager //Manages and controls Remote Assistance.
37.Terminal Services //llows multiple users to be connected interactively to a machine as well as the display of desktops and applications to remote computers. The underpinning of Remote Desktop (including RD for Administrators), Fast User Switching, Remote Assistance, and Terminal Server.
38. Themes
39.Uninterruptible Power Supply //Manages an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) connected to the computer.
40. Volume Shadow Copy //Manages and implements Volume Shadow Copies used for backup and other purposes.
41. Windows Installer// Installs, repairs and removes software according to instructions contained in .MSI files.
42. Wireless Zero Configuration //Provides automatic configuration for the 802.11 adapters
43. Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) //Windows Image Acquisition (WIA)
44.WebClient //Enables Windows-based programs to create, access, and modify Internet-based files.
45. Workstation //Creates and maintains client network connections to remote servers.
46. Windows Time //Maintains date and time synchronization on all clients and servers in the network
47.Telnet //Enables a remote user to log on to this computer and run programs, and supports various TCP/IP Telnet clients, including UNIX-based and Windows-based computers.
48. Task Scheduler//Enables a user to configure and schedule automated tasks on this computer
49. System Restore Service //Performs system restore functions.
50. Simple TCP/IP Services //Supports the following TCP/IP services: Character Generator, Daytime, Discard, Echo, and Quote of the Day.
51. Server //Supports file, print, and named-pipe sharing over the network for this computer.
52.Security Accounts Manager //Stores security information for local user accounts.
53. Routing and Remote Access //Offers routing services to businesses in local area and wide area network environments.
54. SNIP, to many to list.

Please review "Control Panel" -> "Administrative Tools" -> "Services" for services listed and compared that to AmigaOS3.9 (one add may add TCP/IP stack, Envoy network suite, Executive, USB stack, AHI drivers, hot links, beefed up Datatypes suite, VMM, user profile scripts*** i.e. an attempt match some of the missing features)...

***My custom AOS script that makes use of AmigaOS’s Pref and Env-Archive: i.e. duplicating some of Window’s user profiles features (e.g. swaping mupliple copies of ENV with corresponding user name. user name also link to drive locking ).

Use the search feature to list down *.exe (programs) within the Windows and subdirectories.

Have a browses through WINE/WINEX's source code for some hints...  

Check the following
C:\WINDOWS\Driver Cache\i386
C:\WINDOWS\Fonts
C:\WINDOWS\Help
C:\WINDOWS\inf (hidden) //Driver's inf files...e.g. 3DFX (PS; I don't even own 3DFX card)...
C:\WINDOWS\java
C:\WINDOWS\system32
C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers (drivers are stored here)

A cut down WinXP Pro/Home is called “Windows XP Embedded” i.e. single purpose Windows XP.

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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2003, 02:51:55 PM »
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But didn't Microsoft just introduce much similar system for Windows

Not quite. It uses Windows activation regime for non-corporate edition.  
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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2003, 04:30:25 PM »
seeing the answers to the initial questions, the result seems to be, that the preferred os is really an individual choice.

i can´t understand these os wars. peeps who want windows - let them use it. peeps who want anything - let them use it.

but : why the heck does everybody try to tell others that his os is the best ?!  8-)
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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2003, 04:38:48 PM »
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uncharted wrote:
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I had a Win3.11/OS2Warp dual boot machine shortly before Win95 became available, and to be honest Warp never got much use, as it was slow, clunky and had zero software for it.  It was technically superiour, but lost out to the M$ marketing machine.  Had NT's development gone differently we may all be using Warp now.


One thing I used os/2 for was playing DOS games.
OS/2s dos emulation was (and still is) much better than windows 95/98, NT4.0 or 2000 (can't say anyting about ME or XP but I guess it havn't got better).


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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2003, 07:24:28 PM »
@Hammer:  Whoa, what a list.  Still, is a 1 gig installation really justified?

A lot of that bloat is drivers.  There's a spartan copy of practically every driver available for the OS.  I mean, why load the drivers you need when you can have them ALL?   ;-)
 

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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2003, 10:21:42 PM »
Hi Hammer,

I wonder what genius ever came up with this, and I couldn't imagine how a computer wouldn't work with out it. Okay, I'm sure it does something important, but how ever did the Amiga cope without it? :-D

C:\WINDOWS\system32>dir dv*.dat
 Volume in drive C has no label.
 Volume Serial Number is D82D-6E41

 Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32

07/15/2003  07:09 AM                24 DVCState-{00000000-00000000-0000000A-00001102-00000004-00511102}.dat
07/15/2003  07:09 AM                24 DVCStateBkp-{00000000-00000000-0000000A-00001102-00000004-00511102}.dat
               2 File(s)             48 bytes
               0 Dir(s)     838,479,872 bytes free

Two cleverly named essential xp files, 24 bytes in length each, which have longer filename lengths!!!!

AmigaOne! Please, please, please, please don't have a filname in AOS4.0 even goofier than this!
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So I guess that A500, 600, 1000, 2000, CDTV, CD32, are pure garbage then? Thanks for posting here.
 

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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2003, 11:52:48 PM »
@Atheist
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C:\WINDOWS\system32>dir dv*.dat
Volume in drive C is WinXPPro
Volume Serial Number is B01A-E609

Directory of C:\WINDOWS\system32

File Not Found
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Re: Which OS are the worst and the best?
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2003, 12:07:10 AM »
I was going to post on here singing Win2000's praises... only just tonight I was minding my own business when the machine reset and when it restarted NTOSKRNL.EXE was missing!!  :-o Actually I suspect a trojan, I've been messing with a lot of freeware from strange places recently and I think I got stung  :-(

Win2000 is the only Microsoft OS I've really been happy with for any length of time. Otherwise there's:

AmigaOS - i really wish a bulls**t-free OS like this will become popular once more
Mandrake Linux 9.1 - first distro I could really stand  :-D
ZX-Basic  ;-)
 

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Re: OS Crash, Watchdog, POS
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2003, 02:59:52 PM »
Hello
Even the world best OS can crash because defective
or hardware problem or surge.

In PC, there is a watchdog card that monitor the
PC and OS. If the PC/OS crash / stopped suddenly,
the card send re-boot signal to power supply.

For Dead PC, there is a POS diagnostic card that
show the boot up status of the PC and can be
used to boot Dead PC.

Is there any similar card for AmigaOne?
Is this card compatible with Linux and AmigaOS 4?