Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!

[mongo]

little wrote:

It is hilarious to me how people do not realize they are making contradictory statements. If vista was fine with 512 Mb, why upgrade? I mean, the commodore 64 had only 64k and did run fine, you could upgrade but very few people did (even tough to this day it is the best selling computer model of all times) because *drum roll* it was fine as it is.

Some of the software I use works better with 1 gig. (Under Win XP, btw.)

Besides I said Vista works fine with 512 Mb, which it does. I didn't say that it wouldn't work better with more memory.

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

All new cases I can buy locally come with power supplies, then I suppose yours was also second hand.

I suppose you live somewhere where there is only one crappy computer store then. Most high end cases do not come with a power supply.

No, my case was new. It even came with a power supply, as I previously mentioned. I just replaced it with a better one.

I have no doubt it works quite nicely, I have buyed second hand hardware for many years and know first hand that you cannot compare the prices of new items with the low prices of used items. Besides, not two second hand items cost the same, it is a matter of luck, the time you expend searching for it and how the degree of computer knowledge you have (some people think they stuff is junk just because they do not know how to use/fix it).

I bought two of them, actually...

New monitors are pretty cheap anyway, and you're going to need one no matter what PC you use, so it shouldn't really be considered in the cost of the computer itself.

[little]

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

Does our vacuum cleaner works fine? Then it would not make sense if you changed the motor inside it. Does your refrigerator works fine? Then no use changing the motor in it? Does the company web server works fine? Then there it would be a waste of money to buy more memory from it. No, a computer cannot work fine if you need to buy more memory from it, either it is needed or it is a waste of money.

Most high end cases do not come with a power supply.

For me at least a personal computer case is a piece of utilitarian hardware, not a fashion statement nor a mainframa (that requires extra cooling hardware) housing.

[koaftder]

little wrote:

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

Does our vacuum cleaner works fine? Then it would not make sense if you changed the motor inside it. Does your refrigerator works fine? Then no use changing the motor in it? Does the company web server works fine? Then there it would be a waste of money to buy more memory from it. No, a computer cannot work fine if you need to buy more memory from it, either it is needed or it is a waste of money.

Most high end cases do not come with a power supply.

For me at least a personal computer case is a piece of utilitarian hardware, not a fashion statement nor a mainframa (that requires extra cooling hardware) housing.

Quit being anal, if you got any worse, you'd be pointing out typos and grammatical errors.

[little]

@koaftder

If the moderators dim my comments are unapropiate for this messageboard they may give me warning or outright ban me. Othwerwise I will escersice my right to free speech, whether you think I am being anal or not.

[koaftder]

little wrote:
@koaftder

If the moderators dim my comments are unapropiate for this messageboard they may give me warning or outright ban me. Othwerwise I will escersice my right to free speech, whether you think I am being anal or not.

And I still have the right to point out your analness under the same rules, which i did in my previous post.

[mdwh2]

downix wrote:
By that same logic, people are buying Vista to go on their already existing PC's.  So total gain for Microsoft market share is also 0%

And therefore, Microsoft still topple Apple.

Compared to the $200 PC Walmart sells that comes with Linux....

Well run Windows or Linux; either way the PC looks cheaper than a Mac.

[smerf]

Hi,

I hate to say this but the reason the Asians are using the
new MACS with Leopard are because they have the money to
purchase the Apple systems. After all they did take over
nearly 75% of the American workforce.

In order for Apple to be successful in America they will
have to lower their price for the new systems. Looked at
one the other day and decided to stay with PC running
Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP for games.

Still use my Amiga, but lately I have been letting it rest
and been using Amikit on my Gateway PC.

Apple right now with Leopard can take the computer market
if they lowered the price of their system in order to
compete with Vista systems, because Leopard is great, and
VISTA SUCCS. Would have bought an Apple system but price
was too high at $2100.oo to $2495.oo, had to settle for a
Ultra case, nvidia 680i motherboard, Q6600 processor and
2 Gigs mem, sold at TigerDirect for $850.oo. so much for
being a hard working American, can't afford anything I
would really like since I became married and bought a house.

smerf

[smerf]

HI,

@mongo,

Vista runs quite nicely on my PC that consists of a
 $30 motherboard,
 a $7 CPU,
 a $12 heat sink and fan,
 $40 worth of ram,
 an $87 hard drive,
 a $22 case,
 a $15 power supply,
 a $34 DVD burner, a $25 CD burner,
 a $15 sound card,
 a $40 video card,
 and a $10 monitor.

I also have a $7 keyboard and a $12 mouse.


You have  either been shopping at the black market in
 San Francisco, or BS'n big time. Please give me the
numbers and where you bought stuff that cheap in order to
run Vista. I am running a $599 Gateway special, with an
e6300 chip, and I am real curious to find out what $7.00
CPU you have that will run Vista. By the way I just
upgraded to a Q6600 system because I was not satisfied with
the speed of the E6300 chip. And of course you know that
the E6300 is a 1.86 GigHz dual core, and the Q6600 is a
2.4 gighz quad core. Yes I am an extreme gamer, thats
why I bought my Amiga's and thats why today I look at the
newest hottest stuff out there that I could afford, and
most of the time I catch this stuff on sale.

By the way where you live, Phillipines, Tiwan, Korea, or
US (San Fran) because thats the only places I think where
you could get equipment that cheap.

By the way whats your speed index?

smerf

Causing hate and discontent is one of my passions.

[stefcep2]

It's a little bit like comparing Apples to Oranges so to speak. Microsoft makes software, and accessories. They aren't the PC hardware maker, there are several of them. Apple sells hardware..

Err no, Apple sells the whole widget

[smerf]

Hi,

@little,

Ok so you are a little anal (get the pun),
anyhow just wanted to let you know you can go to

www.tigerdirect.com

and find a whole bunch of cases without power supplies. My
only concern about what mango said was a $7 CPU. They don't
make em that cheap, he had to buy it through the black
market on the streets for that price.

smerf

[DonnyEMU]

That's my exact point, so it's difficult to compare a hardware maker to someone who sells OSes..

[DonnyEMU]

The thing that's really important that Vista provides is the WPF/WCF functionality. WPF in Vista offers hardware acceleration over Windows XP...

People talk about things like Leopard's Core Graphics, but forget WPF which I program for every day and it rocks..

The sad part of all of this is I have about 5 computers one is a new core 2 duo mac mini. Let me say the hardware is flawless. After a year of Vista x64, and now Leopard I still prefer Windows Vista.

The response, feel and UI is just more professional and the OS does seem to offer more services. Leopard (with features like Time Machine) is just getting some things Windows has had for a while. As far as performance goes I like Apple hardware and it runs 32-bit Vista wonderfully. I have developed software on both platforms since the mid-1990s and honestly besides the Fan boy rhetoric I really don't see a clear advantage with either machine.

What I don't like about Apple's Ads:
Apple plays on people's intelligence with their advertising and their idea that they are smarter. Well the design of the hardware is nicer. I don't see the operating system being that either though it's coming along.

If you notice the common denominator story you'll hear about "switchers" is that they had a bad experience with a PC crashing or a virus or worm they couldn't handle for themselves. That's just a reflection on them and their usage not on the actual platform. Most people I know never has those problems.

I think Apple now makes one of the best Vista hardware boxes around, so you get my recommendation buy Apple Intel hardware to run Vista FAST. They also include all the intel drivers for vista function on the leopard disc as well..

It isn't a lark Apple put those on the install disc. They know they need it because if they won't gain marketshare. It's not just an insurance policy, Apple users are closet Windows users now too..

[koaftder]

@smerf:

You are an extreme gamer, thats why you are rocking a 600 dollar gateway box? GTFO

Somebody cobbled some years old crap-o hardware and ran vista on it, is it really that hard to believe? How much do you think this almost 4 year old p4 processor in my machine is worth? Probably not much.

[smerf]

Hi,

@ koaftder

Very True about the extreme gamer, I play such games as Far Cry, Doom 3, Fear, Bioshock, and soon to be as soon as it comes out Crysis. Why do you think I upgraded, some of my games are playing sort of slow. I went from a Core Duo E6300 when it first came out to now a Q6600, wish I had the money for the new quad core but 1100 is beyond my price.

By the way I have a Dell with a P4 Pentium running at 2.6ghz, good enough for my Linspire box.

By the way just received the Ultra Q6600 in the mail the other day and am building it up. The Gateway GT5238E was a
pretty good computer, ran nice but was running out of horse power, if you know what I mean. Oh by extreme gamer I mean playing the newest and best on the market. Not Rolling Thunder on an Amiga. Has anyone ever beat that game, the furthest I could get was level 7. Well have fun with your P4, I am sure the original Doom and the original Quake will play fine on it, if not put it in your 603e A1200 Amiga (if you have one).

Don't play any games on the internet, just don't believe in it.

have a nice day

smerf

[mongo]

little wrote:

Does our vacuum cleaner works fine? Then it would not make sense if you changed the motor inside it. Does your refrigerator works fine? Then no use changing the motor in it? Does the company web server works fine? Then there it would be a waste of money to buy more memory from it. No, a computer cannot work fine if you need to buy more memory from it, either it is needed or it is a waste of money.

Just because something works fine doesn't mean it can't get any better. Unless it is your goal in life to achieve a perfect state of mediocrity, of course.

For me at least a personal computer case is a piece of utilitarian hardware, not a fashion statement nor a mainframa (that requires extra cooling hardware) housing.

That really doesn't change the facts though, does it?

[adonay]

Why care i thought this is A Amiga forum.. Shouldent this kind of post be posted on a mac forum ? I sure as Heck have no interest in either windows or mac if use for daily computing . Seems lately everyone is you know mac did this mac done that .Who tha F#"K cares.. If i did the same with Linux or even Windows i would have been sloughterd and trolled to death for beeing the feckin spammer that constantly dwell on that same damn topic .. I dont think mac OS is that much better than windows in regard either such as my mac mini got sold quite fast when i found out how over bloated and slow the os was on it "Tiger" .. When comparing to my old pc 733 celeron with 512mb ram and win xp .. Mac os is just a system with extreme Eyecandy and dodgy programs such as the errm Itunes, QuickTime etc etc ... But sure someone here seem to think it is the next amiga Os and the best invention since man discovered the Wheel.

Mac is better than windows Pc here is the proof topics :lol:  :lol:  sad sad. Ofcource it is a good alternative to our Mirosoft.. But it has still far to come i mean in programms. Games etc . For me OSX was just a hobby os like Amiga os as my work require real apps that can NOT be served on either.(native with out some kind of wm). Lets not forget the great pricing The Mac hardware represents  :-o  :-o  :-o Dont give me you can dual bootcamp argument either couse it will only show the mac users have desperate need to still be using Windows.

I personally use XP for work, Vista "remeber when xp was new and buggy this will improve" for gaming and my own fully custom suse linux were i can change everything i hate and make a sytem that gives me a far better playground and performance than The above oses can provide... This is just my opinion though based on my experiences They can freely be discussed and argued but i for one dont see why everyone is so damn happy about OSX. I sure dident like it expected so much more after a whole lot of idiots reccomended me buying a OSX capable sytem running it as it was the os sent from heaven to save human kind. Wasted a load of cash at leased but i tried to use it for 2 months but no go.. My mac mini was far from the greatest hardware compared to most macs but it should have had a fair chance against my celeron and xp as it had supirior hardware and did great in linux..

I gues it is the design that does it like the ipod everyone buys ? Not the best mp3 player on the market but it is different from the rest  ;-)