Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!

[little]

When win95 came out ... See the pattern?

I was there, I remember all of it. New windows releases (BTW, you skipped 3.11 and earlier) had always required improved hardware. But with windows vista you need new hardware, people can fool themselves all they want (I mean, they are doing so in their own free time) but anyone that uses their PC for anything beyond web browsing (i.e. for gaming) will not touch Vista at the present time because it does not run fine, period.

edit:

When Apple farts people sniff and cheer.

It seems you have confused me with an apple lover or the like, I have no ipod, iphone, iwhatever.

[mongo]

little wrote:

You are pulling my leg, rught? You are running Vista with only 512 Mb of RAM? That is the bare minimum for XP. Do you really do anything besides websurfing with that machine?

Actually, I've recently upgraded to 1 gig, but Vista does run fine with 512 Mb.

A case already comes with a power supply, another indication that you are yanking at my leg.

First of all, not all cases come with power supplies. My case did, but I replaced it with a better one.

Come on, where can you buy a new vga monitor for ten bucks? If this machine was built with used parts then it is not a clear reflection of market prices.

I never said the monitor was new. It is a used HP 20 inch CRT. Works quite nicely.

[mongo]

downix wrote:

Compared to the $200 PC Walmart sells that comes with Linux....

The $200 PC from Walmart could probably run Vista too.

[koaftder]

little wrote:

When win95 came out ... See the pattern?

I was there, I remember all of it. New windows releases (BTW, you skipped 3.11 and earlier) had always required improved hardware. But with windows vista you need new hardware, people can fool themselves all they want (I mean, they are doing so in their own free time) but anyone that uses their PC for anything beyond web browsing (i.e. for gaming) will not touch Vista at the present time because it does not run fine, period.

You don't necessarily need a new machine for Vista. At worst you won't get aero. The OS upgrade really isn't any different than going to OSX 10.5. Tell me that putting 10.5 on your 1.5GHz g4 mac you bought 3 years ago isn't going to bog the crap out of that machine. Going from 10.3 to 10.4 sure did in my case. The mac will happily run whatever you throw at it, and it will choke and sputter and throw up an animated multi color pinwheel and make you wait 20 seconds between app switches every time.

I like the mac, but it isn't the holy grail to computing that the fanboys like to say it is.

[Damion]

@little

Cool, but as I see it, comparing OSes to Hit and kidnappers is far more ridiculous than anything I said.

[koaftder]

For all you Microsoft haters:

Too bad Microsoft didn't write amigaOS, maybe then it wouldn't have died. Still, concerning amiga basic, theres a little MS on every workbench disc....  :lol:

[amigakid]

I dont know what all the debating is about.  Vista Enterprise runs just fine on my 3 yr old 2.2 AMD 3200+ with 1 GB RAM and a 128 MB Graphics Card.  I have no bogginess or anything and actually like the Vista Enterprise.  I havent tried the last MAC0sX but I do have 10.4?? (the one before this latest one) and can't really say it is any better than XP, actually I prefer XP Pro over it.

[redrumloa]

Enough with the fanboy comments, everyone. :idea:

[little]

mongo wrote:
Actually, I've recently upgraded to 1 gig, but Vista does run fine with 512 Mb.

It is hilarious to me how people do not realize they are making contradictory statements. If vista was fine with 512 Mb, why upgrade? I mean, the commodore 64 had only 64k and did run fine, you could upgrade but very few people did (even tough to this day it is the best selling computer model of all times) because *drum roll* it was fine as it is.

First of all, not all cases come with power supplies.

All new cases I can buy locally come with power supplies, then I suppose yours was also second hand.

I never said the monitor was new. It is a used HP 20 inch CRT. Works quite nicely.

I have no doubt it works quite nicely, I have buyed second hand hardware for many years and know first hand that you cannot compare the prices of new items with the low prices of used items. Besides, not two second hand items cost the same, it is a matter of luck, the time you expend searching for it and how the degree of computer knowledge you have (some people think they stuff is junk just because they do not know how to use/fix it).

@koaftder

You also seem to think I am a mac fanboy :roll:

As a side note, most people do not realize (the same way a fish does not realize he is surrounded by water) that there is a diference between "my OS is better" and "I am so used to my OS that when I use a better OS I dislike it because I have to relearn everything I already know how to do".  Hence, the people that know quite a bit about windows in and outs are the same people that argue they like it better, but give your parents or children a new pc with linux and they will adapt to it quite easily.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

I'm a die-hard Microsoft fan and puritan. It's just amazing what you can do with MS-DOS 1.0. Browsing the internet, chatting, etcetera!
I use it everyday!


( ;-) )

[uncharted]

@-D-

Try not reading any more into a comment than what is actually stated.

[koaftder]

@little

I wasn't calling you an apple fanboy. I was just pointing out that every time apple does something, people get all excited about it. Most likely because everybody loves the "underdog".

[little]

You don't necessarily need a new machine for Vista. At worst you won't get aero.

IMO, if you are not going to get aero, DX10, etc. it is quite pointless to upgrade to Vista. It is like getting a new car with you old cars engine.

[Damion]

uncharted wrote:
@-D-

Try not reading any more into a comment than what is actually stated.

I usually don't, but there were no MS "fanbois" on this thread, therefore your comment seemed directed at those making "common sense" statements regarding Windows.



 

[koaftder]

little wrote:

You don't necessarily need a new machine for Vista. At worst you won't get aero.

IMO, if you are not going to get aero, DX10, etc. it is quite pointless to upgrade to Vista. It is like getting a new car with you old cars engine.

How is running 10.5 on a G4 any different? It will be so slow it's not worth using. At least on Vista you can just turn off the eye candy and the machine runs smooth, can't do that on OSX.

[mongo]

little wrote:

It is hilarious to me how people do not realize they are making contradictory statements. If vista was fine with 512 Mb, why upgrade? I mean, the commodore 64 had only 64k and did run fine, you could upgrade but very few people did (even tough to this day it is the best selling computer model of all times) because *drum roll* it was fine as it is.

Some of the software I use works better with 1 gig. (Under Win XP, btw.)

Besides I said Vista works fine with 512 Mb, which it does. I didn't say that it wouldn't work better with more memory.

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

All new cases I can buy locally come with power supplies, then I suppose yours was also second hand.

I suppose you live somewhere where there is only one crappy computer store then. Most high end cases do not come with a power supply.

No, my case was new. It even came with a power supply, as I previously mentioned. I just replaced it with a better one.

I have no doubt it works quite nicely, I have buyed second hand hardware for many years and know first hand that you cannot compare the prices of new items with the low prices of used items. Besides, not two second hand items cost the same, it is a matter of luck, the time you expend searching for it and how the degree of computer knowledge you have (some people think they stuff is junk just because they do not know how to use/fix it).

I bought two of them, actually...

New monitors are pretty cheap anyway, and you're going to need one no matter what PC you use, so it shouldn't really be considered in the cost of the computer itself.