Amiga-developer's bashers: The biggest threat to the future of our community? (lack of devs)

[AmigaMance]

Have a look at these sites:

http://www.platon42.de
http://www.geit.de
http://amigazeux.net
http://binaryriot.org
http://www.chimachine1000.de/Pegasos/Pegasos.htm
http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/sw/
http://www.korni.ovh.org/

 I don't know if all of them basically left the Amiga/MorphOS platform because of they were being bashed/trolled by some.. ehm.. entities, but this seems to be the case with platon42. I also remember that piru complained that someone was keep trolling him a few months ago. This is a REAL shame!! We can NOT afford that! -1 developer = Another nail to the coffin of Amiga! :-(
 Allow me to paste what i wrote on another forum:

This must become the rule #1 in every Amiga forum:
"NEVER bash an Amiga developer, even if you are right. With only a handful of them left, we simply don't have this luxury"
Violators should be banned for at least 1-2 weeks, imho. If we keep this way, we will become a community with users only and no devs. This means death..

[Chain]

This must become the rule #1 in every Amiga forum:
"NEVER bash an Amiga developer, even if you are right. With only a handful of them left, we simply don't have this luxury"
Violators should be banned for at least 1-2 weeks, imho. If we keep this way, we will become a community with users only and no devs. This means death..

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... signed  :cry:

[AndrewBell]

From reading a few posts in different places, it seems platon42 had an argument with a someone who is a moderator on a discussion site, and found his replies being censored. Out of disgust he took down his site, and the others did so out of solidarity.

The dispute was over TLSFMem. I would have thought that the whole Elbox episode would have caused him to give up, not a small incident like this. Then again, this could well be the straw that broke the camels' back.

I don't think these guys have left for good. They are big fish in a small pond. If they wanted to switch to Windows they could have done that long ago. That's just my opinion.
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Vapir One

[adonay]

NEVER bash an Amiga developer, even if you are right

That will never happen with all the trolls walking freely around amiga forums sorry to say but it is true. Only the amiga user argue about the smallest thing As well as bash any good news and ideas .

[a-pex]

Signed also...
Solidarity with the amiga programmers!

The problem was: Only bashing in the AN comment section, no thank you, no help, no real feedback and some guys that cannot stop, that do not know when they have to stop... The community should show what they think about trolls, about people that just making trouble...

...and every user should know that FEEDBACK for programmers is one of the important things ever!!!!

[motorollin]

AmigaMance wrote:
This must become the rule #1 in every Amiga forum:
"NEVER bash an Amiga developer, even if you are right.

So if I take issue with something a developer says, I'm not allowed to say anything for fear of them running and taking their web site down? I don't think so. I don't see why we should be held to ransom in that way. If I have a problem with what somebody says or does, I will comment on it. I don't care who they are, or what they threaten to do about it.

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moto

[thanos]

I am inclined to think that it is not cool to 'bash' anyone.  Particularly people who actively contribute to a hobby that I enjoy.

I also think that people who are willing to develop software , and hardware should be recognized in a positive manor.

Ahh well, maybe 'Bye', is not the last we will hear from the people who have left.  Perhaps it is just, 'Bye for now...'

Thanks to everybody who shares the work they do, some people appreciate it.

[Britelite]

Yes, I agree. Developers should have the exclusive right to insult people and to generally behave like spoilt brats. That truly is the professional way to handle things.

[AmigaMance]

@motorollin
 I proposed to never BASH them, not to avoid saying your opinion..

[motorollin]

Define "bashing". You said "even if you are right". So if you are serious about this "rule", then you really need to be more specific about what is and is not an acceptable to air your view.

However, I really object to treating developers differently to anybody else. Why is it ok to "bash" mere users but developers have a special rule to protect them? It is not acceptable to abuse *anybody*, and that is why we have moderators. We don't need a special rule about that just for developers.

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moto

[koaftder]

Having a hissy fit and pulling down a page over some crap on a web forum is about as emo as it gets. I sure hope this developer isn't a cutter, blood on the keyboard probably leads to stuck keys.

[a-pex]

So if I take issue with something a developer says, I'm not allowed to say anything for fear of them running and taking their web site down? I don't think so.

And you are right, but... starting a neverending metadiskussion, do not stop complaining and telling the programmer he has no knowledge is not the right way!!!!!

Some constructively criticism is ok, to help improving the software, but just trolling and complaining for fun is not necessary. And that is the problem in the comment section.

Giving some nice feedback if you are using the software can also be very helpfully, not just saying nothing because you think it is naturally to have software for the amiga...

[TiredOLife]

To be honest, there is a limit to what you can do on sites such as these.
Some people get their kicks from moaning, complaining, criticising etc.
The moderators can only do so much, even if a posting is removed, it may have already been read by it's intended target.
Also, because the devs want feedback, an email address is often provided.
Another easy target for this type of person.
The only way to get rid of them is to spoil their enjoyment by not rising to the bait.
That's something we all need to do including the devs.

   

[AmigaMance]

Define "bashing".

http://www.answers.com/topic/bashing-pejorative

However, I really object to treating developers differently to anybody else.

 Ok.

Why is it ok to "bash" mere users

 It is not ok to bash users. I am one of them.

but developers have a special rule to protect them?

 Because the viability of the community relies heavily on them?

[motorollin]

The developers depend on the users as much as the other way around. With no users, the developers don't have anybody to use the software they want to develop. So to elevate the developers above the users and give them special rules to protect them is nonsense.

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moto