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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #44 from previous page: October 29, 2007, 10:10:35 AM »
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You seem to have got your descriptions mixed up. When I was watching the Leopard introduction video, I saw a number of well thought through applications, with the benefits largely derived from how well the standard Apple apps integrate with each other. However, you have far more choice on how to accomplish certain tasks on a Windows machine. If you're happy with the way that Apple does things then you'll be fine, but when it comes to customisation you've got more resources with Windows.


Exactly! While I rate OS X an best OS out there I personally don't like it too much (i.e. I recommend it to mst ppl, but do not use it personally too much).
If you're fine with the Apple-way, you will become really lucky, happy and productive while using OS X.
But for special needs you're better off with Linux or even Win (ouch! did *I* really wrote this!!!).
I am still best off with my MorphOS setup. Does everything the way I want and *like*.
Anyway Leopard seems to be quite cool and when having a maschine with plenty of cpu power, memory and storage it'll be a very nice system. I wouldn't bother* when the sysadmin at work would replace my W2K box with a Leopard box ;-).

But I guess MOS/AOS could catch up in some fields quite easily (while never reaching mass market) and I have to agree to Hans, that an overhaul of Multiview and the addition af some more datatypes would help. A pdf datatye would be great for a start. And some things which are sold now as the hottest invention since sliced bread aren't that hot when carefully looked at.

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* In fact I would or would go for dual boot, since my *own* apps are Win or Linux and cannot be ported over to OS X 8no hw driver for my special hw).

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2007, 12:28:33 PM »
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MacOS does what the user wants,

The ONLY OS that ever did this was AmigaOS.  Apple has always insisted you work its way, it has always closed off its OS to the user,it never allowed significant user-customization of the OS.  Yeah its UNIX underneath, now, so it mutitasks and yeah its more secure than Windows but with Apples resources and 10 years available to it the Amiga could have been at the same place as OS X, 9 years ago.
 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2007, 08:07:27 PM »
The world has moved on, Amiga will only be a retro box.  There are no killer apps out there to make it challenge the big boys.  Where would Amiga have been had it survived?  Hard to say, but the Mac is a good approximation.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2007, 08:17:42 PM »
well... I'm convinced  :-)

Received my new Macbook Pro today  :-D

NICE.....

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The world has moved on, Amiga will only be a retro box.  There are no killer apps out there to make it challenge the big boys.  Where would Amiga have been had it survived?  Hard to say, but the Mac is a good approximation.


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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2007, 09:18:12 PM »
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You'd rather watch some REALLY TERRIBLE quality flash encoded video with the wrong aspect ratio rather than install QuickTime for windows? How lame is that..

QT for windows is fine, especially for embedded QT movies on websites.

Fine control the file types associated with the app, and you'll never even know you've got it installed!


I'm sorry but I have to agree with flashlab there. QT on windows sux big time.

I was forced to install it on my system by the software that came with my Kodak digital camera and now everytime I shut down my computer, I get an error message and the .exe that crashes IS a quicktime component.

Everytime I try to play an MP3 file or midi file of a web site, quicktime tries to play it and crashes my browser and thats even after I set it NOT to play those types of files.

Also, there are lots of free software on the web to allow to edit and/or create .mpg, .avi files or .wmv file. Try to find one who can do that with all types of QT files. (just like .avi files, qt files require codecs to play but some of these codecs are not available to the public for editing, only for playback) Good luck!
 

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2007, 10:46:01 PM »
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I'm sorry but I have to agree with flashlab there. QT on windows sux big time.

Agreed, but judge not Apple software on their need to infiltrate the big evil.  

Suck as it may, they're just trying to make sure they have a player on the PC capable of playing their media files.  Where I think they went nuts is the attempt to add all the other datatypes and ended up stepping on other media players.

Then again, if they'd stuck to a "Apple media player" rather than trying to do it all, someone would just have come along, written their own player for apple files and that means fewer people get to think about the Mac.

The biggest coup for Apple so far has been the iPod and even iTunes on Windows is rather too much.  This from a guy who LOVES iTunes on the Mac.

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2007, 03:56:04 AM »
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Just installed it.  One click install, took about two hours total.  Major cool additions, though I'm still tinkering around and learning what it can do.

Looking for someone to test out ichat with.  Should be interesting.

Wayne


I think I will have to wait until the end of the week before I can upgrade to Leopard on my MacBook.  Not sure if I will spend the money to upgrade the MacMini which is mostly just a "Carputer" to run Windows navigation software and play movies in the car.

I have never been much of a "chat" person, but would be willing to give it a go to test it with you.
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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2007, 12:34:58 PM »
Just because OSX's competition is lame it does not mean that OSX is a good OS. It does have some good points but these do no have anything to do with what most "users" perceive as cool. From Cheetah to Leopard little has changed. The same limitations and annoyances exist, the strong points remain the same. Folder/application encapsulation in the Finder, unicode, Unix shell, soft/had links, localisation, XML-based properties, services, Cocoa OOP framework, logical named system folders and files etc. are great. Incosistent look&feel, same old Finder (you couldn't even align desktop icons properly for years), slow and hard-to-master spotlight search, inability to prevent "._" files written all over the place, boing balls when network or HD/CD mounts fail etc. are not.

Apple had a diamond in its pocket and a golden opportunity, in essence of being let to discard most of legacy constraints and start over without having to loose all their marketshare and community. Instead, they pull out a Micro$oft. It's true that in early development bug corrections and speed optimisations occured (e.g. from Cheetah to Puma and then to Puma), but later the only innovation Mac users got were eye candy, which frankly speaking are not that impressive or cool (from an artistic view) and bloated "feature" additions. I am not going wow. I am not a PeeCee switcher; I've been using AmigaOS when these "wowers" typed in their B/W MSDOS prompt or used one program at a time in a Mac and considered that creative.

What drives OSX is its Unix background, the integrated multimedia environment (that comes rather from external applications such as  iLife and a consistent lower denominator of installed software than the OS's explicit multimedia capabilities), the incapable competition (Linux does not have desktop applications, Window$ is vulnerable and not robust), and, believe it or not, cool hardware.

Given Apple's and Micro$oft's resources OSX and Window$ are pretty lame both in theory and implementation. IMHO a group of 20 talented people, working full time and hard for 2 years (with no payment problems, deadline constraints, and non-functional requirements from stakeholders), could produce a superior product. How will it be marketed and if it sells is another story.

Nevertheless, even for me, it would be easy to study for a month (maybe less) and come up with a Bill McEwen-type OS "specification" that knocks OSX for dead. A more knowledgeble computing science guy could even come up with a "proper" OS specification in the same time period. The question is whether I would have the money or the will to implement it.
 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2007, 01:56:37 PM »
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Nevertheless, even for me, it would be easy to study for a month (maybe less) and come up with a Bill McEwen-type OS "specification" that knocks OSX for dead.


OK, study for a month, since you're obviously not a 'computer science guy' and get back to us with a 'Bill McEwen-type' specification that is superior to OS X. Better yet, rather than give pie in the sky comments, try posting detailed information about how your OS would work.

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2007, 03:45:56 PM »
The commentary here, reminds me that no one has jumped up and down and said, but its not really Mac OS!!!!  It's really just FreeBSD with a Mac layer!

Of course not...it is Mac OS.  

I know, I come at things sideways, but I'm thinking about the whole discussion once upon a time about the next version of Amiga and using QNX or Linux core, and especially Linux, to jump start Amiga OS development.

Amiga Inc. would have still had their work cut out for them, developing the higher level Workbench that ran on top of the Linux core, and I think no one, would have claimed it was really Linux...or at least, such an idea wouldn't have gotten any traction, any more than we think of Mac OS X is FreeBSD...even though in fact the core is based on FreeBSD 5.0.

It's all history now...but basing the new Amiga on Linux, would have gotten us a modern system, that would have been a true Amiga....get a modern looking workbench, use some of the Amiga concepts, Arexx....

In point of fact, its still the way to go with Amiga...if they want to revive things at this late date.

Anyway...I agree with you whole heartedly, Mac OS X 10.5, at a certain level, is what Amiga OS could have been.

Fast, fun, powerful....every machine comes with standard development tools in Xcode.  Heck, even before Amiga...in the Commodore 64 and Atari 800 days, what I liked is they always came with Basic, and anyone could tinker with it.

Anyone who has Leopard, can do a program tonight....if they want to start tinkering...and that is really cool.  Although I have to admit, even in the Windows arena, Microsoft giving away express editions of their compilers...even if not installed by default, is still a cool move.



 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2007, 05:04:00 PM »
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As far as Gateway-Amiga goes they wanted to make Amiga into a viable x86 platform way back in the 90s, using the Amiga ideal to power a totally new computer platform. The Amiga community (or at least a large part of it) blindly insisted they stick to PowerPC, which was too expensive and was outside the areas Gateway wanted to explore (being a x86 PC maker). I think in the end Gateway gave up and basically told the community to shove it, mostly out of frustration at not being able to push the Amiga platform forward. It could have lead to great things - Gateway have a large leverage in the PC industry and could have put up a decent fight.


BZZZT.  FWIW, Gateway were at least interested enough to have a separate division holding their Amiga IP, to put Jim Collas in charge, etc etc.  They also had an early start at the multimedia computer concept that had bombed, but were still trying.  What came out later in court (unfortunately I have lost the referral URL) is that :madashell: M$ pressured GW to drop the pursuit of the Amiga on threat of having their Windows license revoked or made more expensive, and GW knuckled under.

I'm not claiming that the Amiga "community" were easy to please or to work with, because many of "us" considered it a badge of honor to NOT be working on the x86 platform, even though many of its worst qualities had been redesigned out by then.  It would have ended up being a boutique OS running on commodity hardware with maybe a dongle or some such.  Gee, where is the Mac now, sound familiar?  
 

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2007, 07:26:31 PM »
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OK, study for a month, since you're obviously not a 'computer science guy' and get back to us with a 'Bill McEwen-type' specification that is superior to OS X. Better yet, rather than give pie in the sky comments, try posting detailed information about how your OS would work.

Get your head out the sand mate!


Actually, I AM a "computing science guy", which means I have hardly any time discussing things in forums (check my number of posts) and am too poor to give away ideas to someone that does not even care or understand. You are obviously quite happy with what you got.
 

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« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2007, 07:39:53 PM »
No offense intended, but that's about the most snide "superiority complex riddled" comments I've read here in a long, long time.

Wayne

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Actually, I AM a "computing science guy", which means I have hardly any time discussing things in forums (check my number of posts) and am too poor to give away ideas to someone that does not even care or understand. You are obviously quite happy with what you got.
 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2007, 07:49:18 PM »
Wayne, I was just being rude to TheWizard who got rude on me in the first place.
 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2007, 10:30:15 PM »
Leopard is cool and all, but that's a lot of money to plunk down.

Personally, my XP Pro system works really nicely and looks great with Stardock's WindowBlinds and ObjectDock.  I customize my sounds, and I love it.

Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon is a great alternative because it's free, and very nice to use.

I would only get a Mac if I wanted to do serious video editing, and Vista.... bah! Only if I wanted to play DX10 games, which there isn't anything worth it that's out right now.  As far as the Vista look, WindowBlinds is much nicer.  Although I will admit that the animated wallpaper in Vista Ultimate has me interested.  I think it's called DreamWeaver or something.  :-)
 

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Re: OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2007, 12:04:14 AM »
@Wayne,

Ban Them ALL, Ban them, Ban them!

(just kidding, I haven't even wasted my time reading all the offensive posts in this thread) :-o
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)