OSX Leopard is released, looks like the new Amiga. No joke!

[Hans_]

@everyone who thinks that Steve Jobs is the most amazing guy on the planet

Please go to the reality distortion field entry in wikipedia. The phrase was coined to describe Steve Jobs. In some ways he's more cut-throat than Bill Gates. Just beware that this guy excels at convincing people of anything, including his own greatness.

Having said that, OSX Leopard does have some impressive features, and well thought out GUIs to use them. Hoever, there are two things in the Apple design philosophy that I've never liked: the closed system approach, and locking in to Apple products. Locking in to Apple doesn't seem to have changed, just look at things such as the iPod and iPhone. Both are locked in to Apple services (or Apple sanctioned AT&T). Has Apple become less restrictive about developer documentation? Providing all the documentation freely is a requirement for me to even consider anything as "the next Amiga."

Hans

[Shamus_]

Flashlab wrote:
Couldn't watch the demo because I had to download Quicktime. I hate Quicktime on Windows...

Grab the Quicktime alternative.


Link

[PulsatingQuasar]

meh

When it comes to eyecandy I think Compiz and Linux like implemented in Ubuntu 7.10 have the upperhand on both Mac OS X and Vista.

[motorollin]

Leopard is much more than an eye candy upgrade.

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moto

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Leopard is much more than an eye candy upgrade.

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moto

What if you don't want eye candy, and more speed, and easier control?
Oh, I long for a modern computer that starts immediately, with easy, intuitive and quick file/program management...

[Tomas]

Just watched the demo and wonder what was so special about spaces? Looks to me like a simply copy of the mutlidesktop features that has existed for ages.

[Argo]

Well, it is Unix.

[hamtronix]

big ho hum... i am using vista. bought a new computer and decided to leave it on and try it. my games/progs work on it. it has a smoother feel than XPpros spasmodic quick and then slow slingshot. I may go back to XP I may not.

[TheWizard]

Well...I've got Leopard installed on my G5 and MacBook Pro. ALOT more snappier - my G5 fans definately don't rev as high as they used to, however, I think both computers still suffer from design flaws in hardware. Go Amiga GO!

 

[HenryCase]

Chubbyrain wrote:
Sadly, Mr Jobs Esq. will never release it for the PC.

Why wait for Apple to release OS X for the PC, it can already be done. See this guide... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Z0FJYBd5U&NR=1 (the presenter is a little paranoid about getting sued but it's still interesting).

McVenco wrote:
"MacOS does what the user wants, while Windows does what it wants the user to do."

You seem to have got your descriptions mixed up. When I was watching the Leopard introduction video, I saw a number of well thought through applications, with the benefits largely derived from how well the standard Apple apps integrate with each other. However, you have far more choice on how to accomplish certain tasks on a Windows machine. If you're happy with the way that Apple does things then you'll be fine, but when it comes to customisation you've got more resources with Windows.

For example, I could use an external HD, ZipSnap for backups (http://zipsnap.sourceforge.net/), and then write a simple app to get the same functionality of the Time Machine feature. Probably wouldn't be as flashy, but it would get the job done.

As for Apple being the new Amiga, can't say I see it. Amiga was a strong platform back in the day in terms of hardware and software, but also in terms of flexibility (through customisation of h/w and s/w). Apple has the software part about right, but as Hans pointed out where's the detailed documentation for the platform?

Just IMO of course.

[AeroMan]

Unfortunately, my Mac died some time ago... I always liked MacOS, because it is simple. But my Mac used to crash as often as my Windows PC (Mac fanatics will try to shoot me now  :-D ).
Anyway, the only bad thing about Macs for me is that, at least in Brasil, they are awfully expensive. You can buy a nice PC for half of the price of a Mac, and hardwarewise, (thanks to the "clever" idea of using x86) they would be the same.
They know that Mac users would pay the price for the brand.
Maybe if the prices drop a little, I will go back to the Mac...

Just installed it.  One click install, took about two hours total.  Major cool additions, though I'm still tinkering around and learning what it can do.

Looking for someone to test out ichat with.  Should be interesting.

Wayne

[Varthall]

da9000 wrote:

swift240 wrote:
If Leopard were to become available for my PC I would get it.

Revelation: a Mac *IS* a PC, and I don't just mean a "Personal Computer", I mean: it has an x86 compatible CPU and it *DOES* run Windows.

In fact, it's like buying TWO computers in ONE.

And the other way around is true, too: MacOS X can run on PCs with compatible hardware, too:

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Varthall

[RRunner]

swift240 wrote:
I must say, wow the dock bar is brilliant.

Check out Object Dock from Stardock if you like what you saw in the video...

[Fixer]

Looking at the minimum spec. would this run on my brother's base Mac-Mini which he got about half a year ago?

It only has 512mb ram, but it doesn't even really have that because of the integrated Intel graphics.

[zylesea]

HenryCase wrote:
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You seem to have got your descriptions mixed up. When I was watching the Leopard introduction video, I saw a number of well thought through applications, with the benefits largely derived from how well the standard Apple apps integrate with each other. However, you have far more choice on how to accomplish certain tasks on a Windows machine. If you're happy with the way that Apple does things then you'll be fine, but when it comes to customisation you've got more resources with Windows.

Exactly! While I rate OS X an best OS out there I personally don't like it too much (i.e. I recommend it to mst ppl, but do not use it personally too much).
If you're fine with the Apple-way, you will become really lucky, happy and productive while using OS X.
But for special needs you're better off with Linux or even Win (ouch! did *I* really wrote this!!!).
I am still best off with my MorphOS setup. Does everything the way I want and *like*.
Anyway Leopard seems to be quite cool and when having a maschine with plenty of cpu power, memory and storage it'll be a very nice system. I wouldn't bother* when the sysadmin at work would replace my W2K box with a Leopard box ;-).

But I guess MOS/AOS could catch up in some fields quite easily (while never reaching mass market) and I have to agree to Hans, that an overhaul of Multiview and the addition af some more datatypes would help. A pdf datatye would be great for a start. And some things which are sold now as the hottest invention since sliced bread aren't that hot when carefully looked at.

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* In fact I would or would go for dual boot, since my *own* apps are Win or Linux and cannot be ported over to OS X 8no hw driver for my special hw).