MiniMig + PowerPC = OS4 Hardware for all

[nBit7]

You'd still need a northbridge better than anything ever seen in an AmigaONE or Pegasos to get modern graphics.

Could use a PowerPC SoC with embeded graphics.
OR
More powerful FPGA.  I think it is safe to assume that northbrides are prototyped in FPGA.  OK you wouldn't be able to achieve the same clock speeds as a custom ASIC for the same design.  But with a good design optimized for the FPGA you get  transfer rates well above any commercially available ASIC.

[Paradox]

We need a small cheap PPC mobo to run OS4 when it starts being sold.

the latest A1200 200mhz PPC card went on ebay for 310GBP!

Why cant someone make a nice NANO-ITX SoC based 400mhz or dual core e300/600 for alot less maybe with PowerVR GPU built in so all you have to do is add RAM and Storage and buy OS4! all for under 300GBP!!!

Its better to have loads small cheap mobos that people can use then swap everyyer when a new one comes out instead of build a massive ATX 2ghz amiga which are to expensive and by the time they come out new thing hve come along so everybody want something else.

plus Soc based PPC chips are getting better and better everyday so there no need for a big box expensive amiga.

Regards

[downix]

Paradox wrote:
We need a small cheap PPC mobo to run OS4 when it starts being sold.

the latest A1200 200mhz PPC card went on ebay for 310GBP!

Why cant someone make a nice NANO-ITX SoC based 400mhz or dual core e300/600 for alot less maybe with PowerVR GPU built in so all you have to do is add RAM and Storage and buy OS4! all for under 300GBP!!!

Its better to have loads small cheap mobos that people can use then swap everyyer when a new one comes out instead of build a massive ATX 2ghz amiga which are to expensive and by the time they come out new thing hve come along so everybody want something else.

plus Soc based PPC chips are getting better and better everyday so there no need for a big box expensive amiga.

Regards

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[SamuraiCrow]

downix wrote:
http://www.genesippc.com  Ekifa2 meets your needs.

Genesi rejected the idea of sending Jens Shoenfeld an Efika so he could produce his CloneA ECS-compatible graphics chips on a PCI card.  Why would they do any differently for the MiniMig?

I think the integrated FPGA on the SAM 440ep would do the job for backward compatibility using CloneA or MiniMig as the gate layout.

[Kronos]

Yep, the rejected the idea of sending Jens a free board (no suprise after all the Geneis-bashing and blackmailing we've seen from jens in the past years), they have course done nothing that would stop the idea to be made a reality.

Jens is free to just buy an Efika at Vesalia, and go from there on ....

Mind you I still think it'd be rather stupid way of solving the symptons instead of curing the cause, but thats just me   ;-)

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Genesi rejected the idea of sending Jens Shoenfeld an Efika so he could produce his CloneA ECS-compatible graphics chips on a PCI card.

Since when do you have to ask permission to a company to create a PCI board for their computer? If they really wanted what would stop them from doing it? If they are not going to create a product just because genesi refused to give a free Efika to Individual computers then I think that is childish, specialy since for many months the Efika was available for $99 USD. If they wanted genesi to finance the creation of the card and they were not interested then individual computers has no right to say "bad genesi, bad genesi".

[Paradox]

nonsence..

what would be the point in using a pci card on the efika that was a clone of aga 020 040 etc?

No point unless it was standalone clone.

Leave this 3.x stuff for classic amigas or uae etc.

OS4 and MOS run on PPC.

Plus it would take up the only one PCI slot on the Efika5K2 unless you had bridges.

Theres just no need for an PCI amiga card.

Regards.

[Paradox]

Yes it does hmm it sounds great!

Gimme Efika II!

have a look!


The chip


Maybe the same price as last time too about 199USD! then could come down to 99USD like last time!

[AndrewBell]

what would be the point in using a pci card on the efika that was a clone of aga 020 040 etc?

Better compatibility than E-UAE maybe? More accurate emulation with less CPU usage perhaps.

No point unless it was standalone clone.

Really? What about reducing the number of PC cases, keyboards and mice? Thats just one reason I think might justify it.

Leave this 3.x stuff for classic amigas or uae etc.

Why?

OS4 and MOS run on PPC.

No sh*t, Sherlock. The thread is about getting OS4 classic running on new hardware because demand outstrips supply. Well done on completely missing the point.

Plus it would take up the only one PCI slot on the Efika5K2 unless you had bridges.

Bollocks. 2 and 3 slot PCI riser cards are easy to find.

Theres just no need for an PCI amiga card.

Again, utter bollocks. People have been trying to make an Amiga on PCI for a decade. There must be some need.
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[Kronos]

(E)UAE isn't designed to take real Amiga-chips, otherwise such a version would have been available for Amigas (with 060 or PPC). Changing that would require a major overhaul, and wether such a version would be more compatible than the normal SW-only version is more than questionable.

Putting such a card into an EFIKA is even more pointless, as it can take only 1 PCI card, and an Amiga without GFX-card doesn't really cut anymore (ask anone who is running a BPPC without one).

An Minimig/Clone-A in a joystick may be fun, one with fast 68k might be a nice tinkering toy, one with GFX-card AND AGA might even proove usefull to some, but an PPC-Amiga with just AGA is a pain in the a...

[jkonstan]

Interesting, A-Cube Systems is advertising OS4.  

http://www.acube-systems.com/eng/software.php

http://www.acube-systems.com/eng/images/advertOS4Classic.jpg

Their SAM440EP board is a bit pricey and a possible OS4 PowerPC target. The Lattice LFXP6 FPGA on Sam440EP may be able to hold a modified version of MiniMIG core logic & a soft 68K core if a daughtercard (at SAM440EP FPGA expansion header) for the SAM440EP is built to provide the MiniMIG core some SDRAM and I/O in order to provide A500 level classic compatible mode.

  :-)

[AndrewBell]

(E)UAE isn't designed to take real Amiga-chips, otherwise such a version would have been available for Amigas (with 060 or PPC). Changing that would require a major overhaul, and wether such a version would be more compatible than the normal SW-only version is more than questionable.

It isn't possible, full stop. The same is true with VirtualPC on Windows, and MoL on Linux.

Putting such a card into an EFIKA is even more pointless, as it can take only 1 PCI card, and an Amiga without GFX-card doesn't really cut anymore (ask anone who is running a BPPC without one).

Then use something like this:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=8#p1902

An Minimig/Clone-A in a joystick may be fun, one with fast 68k might be a nice tinkering toy, one with GFX-card AND AGA might even proove usefull to some, but an PPC-Amiga with just AGA is a pain in the a...

Says you. Other people may be happy with PPC/AGA.
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[AndrewBell]

jkonstan wrote:
Interesting, A-Cube Systems is advertising OS4.

Well spotted, they've only been advertising it for a few months. Maybe this is connected with their announcement of OS4 pricing.

Their SAM440EP board is a bit pricey and a possible OS4 PowerPC target.

No, really? And I thought the SAM used UBOOT for some other reason. Hmmm, that would explain the strategic partnership with Hyperion that was announced earlier in the year.

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[Kronos]

@Andrew Bell

What isn't posible (you somewhat lost me here)....

But please understand that VirtualPC and MOL run SW designed to run on varying HW, while most AGA-SW (games that is) don't just expect the chipset to be at one fixed address, no they alos often make some very direct assumption on the timing between CPU and chipset, something that is easier to emulate when both parts are done in one piece of compared to one being SW, and the other being emulated-pseudo-HW.

Oh, and would you please name one piece of SW that demands both PPC AND AGA ?

[JosephC]

@Kronos

Name one piece of software that demands both PPC and ECS?

[AndrewBell]

What isn't posible (you somewhat lost me here)....

Your point about (E)UAE on an Amiga making use of the Amiga chipset to aid emulation. That's what isn't possible.

I mentioned MoL and VPC to illustrate how other emulators/VMs are equally restricted.

Oh, and would you please name one piece of SW that demands both PPC AND AGA ?

Why? I never said there was any software like that, did I? My point was that you were wrong when you stated that "an PPC-Amiga with just AGA is a pain in the a...". Some people still run Workbench on AGA, so they would benefit from the increased speed of PPC.
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