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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #44 from previous page: October 21, 2007, 07:11:42 PM »
> "OS4 Classic"

It was about time. I'm not even sure my Blizzard is still working, but I'm sure keeping my credit card ready for November 30th.
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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2007, 07:12:10 PM »
I guess I'll keep refreshing winuae.net and hoping to see an updated version with a "PPC" check box soon  :-D   Then I'll buy a copy of OS4.

And yes, before anyone asks, I do believe my muti-core 64bit cpu running and several THOUASAND MHZ can emulate a old PPC chip running at ~200mhz.
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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2007, 07:13:59 PM »
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Perhaps, but I don't see it making a lot of money. How many copies to sell... a couple thousand?


I would say a few hundred at most.

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And don't they have to pay Amiga Inc a cut on each sale? So they'd be funding the enemy too.

There would seem to be some reasoning in paying Amiga Inc their cut... to prove to the judge they are good responsible license holders, and they deserve to keep it.


I haven't been following the legal bollocks, but perhaps Hyperion will argue that Amino/Amiga went bankrupt then they don't have to pay KMOS/Amiga?
 

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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2007, 07:24:12 PM »
@ AmigaHeretic

Try this benchmark first, then get back to us. I'm curious to hear how your CPU performs in the real world :)
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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2007, 07:36:05 PM »
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Try this benchmark first, then get back to us. I'm curious to hear how your CPU performs in the real world :)


I don't think that is even a remotely close comparison.  That is a designed to emulate more like G3/G4 level processor at speeds enough to run MacOS X for god sakes.

We're talking about emulating something that came out for an Amiga 1200 10+ years ago ;-)  

Most Blizzards were probably what the 603e @ 160MHZ??  Pear PC actually probably runs great for this purpose.
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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2007, 07:36:17 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2007, 07:37:44 PM »
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I haven't been following the legal bollocks, but perhaps Hyperion will argue that Amino/Amiga went bankrupt then they don't have to pay KMOS/Amiga?


I've been reading the court papers but not analyzing as deeply as some. I see Hyperion with two points to their defence. First.... we've done nothing that gives Amiga Inc the right to pull our license. Second... since than whole AmigaWest/Itec/Kmos/AmigaEast thing was invalid, we hold perpetual license anyway. Any experts reading this please forgive my massive simplification.

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Re: whahappa?
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2007, 08:29:00 PM »
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I've been reading the court papers but not analyzing as deeply as some. I see Hyperion with two points to their defence. First.... we've done nothing that gives Amiga Inc the right to pull our license.


Hyperion had a 30 day period to reply when AI yanked their license to seek mediation, they chose to do nothing.  That's definently not going to help their case.

Delay of product would be a good example of violating their license/contract with Amiga Inc.  If this had been in any other software vender case, we would be laughing at six years to do a port they said would only take a few months to do.  Keep that in mind.  Then there is Hyperion dancing around ever release with a new catagory name in order to avoid calling it a proper release of OS4.  That shows bad intent on Hyperion's part.  Accepting the $25K from Itec as apart of the buy back option that Amiga Inc executed and then failed to release the source code and object code rights to Amiga Inc is another prime example of Hyperion's bad faith.

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since than whole AmigaWest/Itec/Kmos/AmigaEast thing was invalid, we hold perpetual license anyway. Any experts reading this please forgive my massive simplification.


Judge complained about lack of paper trail.  How hard would that be for the owners to do?  As long as the seller and who purchased it sign a statement it did occure on a given date, then the judge has a signed, under oath, statement that the IP was transferred.  It's like two companies trading equiptment or one company giving equiptment to another settle a debt.

Lets say that AI WA is still the owner.  It has five years after the state disolves the corp to reform.  Then where does that leave Hyperion?  Point I'm trying to make here is the chain of ownership can't be broken, someone has to own it, and if no one does, the state has ownership.

That signed second contract with Itec (or was it KMOS?) for a port job again clearly shows Hyperion believed the succession of corps to be the true owner of IP they licensed. Else why would they sign that second contract?  It would be a sign of bad faith if Hyperion knownly signed a contract with someone that they did not have a license to share AI's IP with.  Are they showing bad faith now by claiming a falsehood of saying Itec was not the appropriate license holder of AI's IP when they believed it then or are they showing bad faith by entering into a contract that they knew was not apart of their orginal license of AI's IP which would transfer AI's IP to a unlicensed third party?

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Re: whahappa?
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2007, 09:09:46 PM »
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since than whole AmigaWest/Itec/Kmos/AmigaEast thing was invalid, we hold perpetual license anyway


Problem here is that Hyperion does not own Amiga trademarks or software. If something illegal or criminal happened it does not help Hyperion at all. Quite contrary because Hyperion has been then aware of criminal actions but proceeded to co-operate with them.

Also, there is no solid evidence that anything illegal happened with Amiga transfer. We know that Amiga is not honest company but why Hyperion teams up with dishonest company in the first place?
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Re: whahappa?
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2007, 09:38:35 PM »
@Dammy

FYI, I'm not agreeing/disagreeing or defending Hyperion. I'm just paraphrasing what I understand are their two main points. Sorry I didn't make that clear befor your in-depth response.

I've avoided long discussions on it all since I see tons of grey area on both sides. For example...

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That signed second contract with Itec (or was it KMOS?) for a port job again clearly shows Hyperion believed the succession of corps to be the true owner of IP they licensed. Else why would they sign that second contract?


Now Hyperion says details of the Amiga West<>Itec transfer involving things like insolvency where kept from them before signing the contract with Itec. Again I can't agree or disagree because I wasn't there, but with out proper documentation on both sides how can a "less-than-layperson" like me begin to decide. Many want to side here or there based on common sense, prior history and postings, and what I think are "sketchy documents".... hard to tell what will really matter to the judge though.

All I know for sure it both sides have messed it up good (developers excluded) and there isn't a fast easy way out because they can't come to an agreement with out stacks of lawyers. Personally I put large blame on those behind every version of Amiga Inc since the takeover from Gateway. They have done a poor job keeping their house and IP in order.

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Re: whahappa?
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2007, 05:43:56 AM »
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Perhaps, but I don't see it making a lot of money. How many copies to sell... a couple thousand? And don't they have to pay Amiga Inc a cut on each sale? So they'd be funding the enemy too.


Under the contract, no they didn't have to pay Amiga Inc a cent in royalties for sales of standalone OS4.0.  Later versions 4.1 upwards they have to pay US$20 in royalties for standalone copies.
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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2007, 03:42:47 PM »
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Try this benchmark first, then get back to us. I'm curious to hear how your CPU performs in the real world :)


I don't think that is even a remotely close comparison. ...


I am curious about how the latest X86 processors would emulate Amiga PPC's too. What is a close comparison? And what would you actually use to run OS4 ?
 
 

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Re: Hyperion AmiWest Announcement
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2007, 08:19:09 PM »
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Bill McEwen? :lol:


That would be yet another Paul Gadd account. :sleep:
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