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Offline Tomas

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #74 from previous page: July 11, 2003, 05:53:17 PM »
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Things under Gateway's Amiga at least SEEMED to be moving forward which is much more than can be seen or demonstrated currently.

Without Bill taking over, we would not have AmigaONE and soon a new OS... They didnt not make this hardware themself, but without them it would not be possible. If they didnt buy it, we would have NOTHING at all now. You cant do alot with the limited funding AmigaINC started out with.

And actually though you dont want this amigaone, os4 and such... there are some people who want.
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2003, 05:57:50 PM »
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I believe Wayne was talking about Amiga Inc. only. A lot of people believe Hyperion and Eyetech are doing all the work while Amiga Inc is basicly just a cardboard cutout...

sure... But this would not be possible without AmigaINC anyways... AmigaINC did release the AmigaAnywhere player though, but personally i dont find much use in it  :-P
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2003, 06:26:01 PM »
by Tomas on 2003/7/11 12:53:17
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Without Bill taking over, we would not have AmigaONE and soon a new OS... They didnt not make this hardware themself, but without them it would not be possible. If they didnt buy it, we would have NOTHING at all now. You cant do alot with the limited funding AmigaINC started out with.


Incorrect.  Teron mobos would be out there, regardless of what Bill has and has not done.  MOS and AROS would still be out there as well as the Pegasus.  The only thing Bill has done is bullshit a whole lot of people out of alot of money and spent it with litttle to show for it.  The only thing you may not have had is Hyperion's OS4.  Which may or may not be a significant OS to even worry about.

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2003, 06:55:40 PM »
"Without Bill taking over, we would not have AmigaONE and soon a new OS..."

and

"I liked him, seemed more open to the community.. though i wasnt that happy for the idea of an Linux box..."

What would you call the AmigaONE as it is today? :-)
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2003, 09:24:57 PM »
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Yeah , yeah whatever you say "Dr" :lol:
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2003, 09:30:57 PM »
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Without Bill taking over, we would not have AmigaONE and soon a new OS...

Actually, we would have the Pegasos with MorphOS.  IIRC that project got started as a result of the decision to scrap QNX in favour of Linux, some months before McEwen et al bought the rights from Gateway and started Amiga Inc.  This goes some way to explain the animosity of the Genesi/Phoenix group towards the Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion group.  The former see the latter as upstarts with an unfair advantage ("The Name" ).
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2003, 09:53:41 PM »
@CodeSmith

You're confusing two entities as one, namely Phoenix and Genesi.  While they are cooperating and working toards a single goal, they are still seperate agents.

MorphOS began during the Escom days, before Gateway ever entered the picture.

You did describe the Phoenix situation quite well, having started after the abandonment of QNX.
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2003, 11:19:34 PM »
Downix, CodeSmith,

Actually you are both wrong about "the Phoenix situation" (and really are generalizing about quite a timeline).

To truly understand the situation you would have to have been involved during the formation of Phoenix. Then you would have had a front row seat for what the pre-Amino Amiga Inc guys were saying (some of this slops over into fleecy interviews later, talking about QNX, who was indeed on the Amino dancecard for platform of choice), and what the QNX guys where saying.

There is no single attitude or viewpoint however, since many companies and developers were and are represented. Some were very inside, some saw only the more obvious and semi-public bits that spilled over into forums, newsgroups, etc. Some were involved in some relationships, some were not.

And if there is any "animosity" that goes back any length of time it has little to do with Eyetech and Hyperion - OR "The Name" of The Name. At least from my perspective, it has been based on several periods of Amino and Amiga Inc being in Phoenix but basically abusing any attempts to work together, and trying to take without giving in return. Not to mention the fiascos that led to the estrangement of QNX which made it tougher and tougher for QNX to get past the threshold for a user desktop.

As I've said here before, Genesi did more of positive impact for and with Phoenix in a month than Amiga Inc did in years (and now a relationship with QNX seems to be possible again as well, one based on products and development, and much less community politics)... The practices of Amiga Inc against those not considered total and unequivocal supporters with no outside interests, I've posited, have been driven by the very same attitudes that have clobbered them financially and community-wise to this very day. (I give Ray Akey some credit for actually trying to go against the grain and keeping a foot in with some QNX interests; unfortunately that was not enough by a long shot).

I wish it could have turned out differently. Not for my sake, not for Phoenix's (things are going pretty good these days). But it would have made a lot of crap that has happened over the past few years less likely. On the other hand, other crap could have happened. So it's a lot easier to live in the present and not worry about whether the past has been accurately represented.

As for Collas: seems like some people think Jesus still walks the earth. But Collas too was a bit of a pied piper telling people what they wanted to hear - or at least saying it in the tone they wanted to be tickled by. The parts that were not speeches written by Someone Else {;} I'm sure were very nice, but did they actually represent the realities of the situation(s) at Gateway and Gatemiga?

I think that if Collas has enough money a lot of people would like him to step in and spend it to make things right for The Name. But how would that fix the underlying problems? And why would it matter?
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2003, 02:15:30 AM »
in that reply from Bill McEwen....Did he really say "...I haven't been replaced YET??"

Hmm.  Maybe there'll be an anouncement at AmiWest??

Hypothosis or FUD??  You be the judge.
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2003, 02:53:59 AM »
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As for Collas: ... But Collas too was a bit of a pied piper telling people what they wanted to hear - or at least saying it in the tone they wanted to be tickled by. The parts that were not speeches written by Someone Else {;} I'm sure were very nice, but did they actually represent the realities of the situation(s) at Gateway and Gatemiga?

This is what I thought of Collas too.  I was begining to think I was too critical of the guy.

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2003, 06:08:04 AM »
I still remember an MP3 of one of his pep rallies.  I'm paraphrasing a bit, but still:

"[Years ago], a terrible thing happened!  Innovation... innovation stopped!"

Gee, then where did these little things called 3D accelerators come from?  I never met the guy, but I just saw a salesman trying to push a product that had no real backing from its parent company.
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2003, 07:26:23 AM »
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@ Some other

Spare the rod ... nobody deserves beeing spanked forever. Let life go on! Forgive and forget!


You call that  rod? I call it a gentle reminder. If you want to feel distaste I suggest you check out Moobunny at the moment.

This thread will help:

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/88201.shtml
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2003, 08:06:26 AM »
Sheesh! thanks for reminding me why I never go to moobunny any more.  It's the verbal equivalent of a shark feeding frenzy in there.  WTF is wrong with those people? (anyone claiming that level of degradation is "freedom" can go to Zimbabwe and sample the "real thing")
 

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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2003, 08:39:47 AM »
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greenboy wrote:
At least from my perspective, it has been based on several periods of Amino and Amiga Inc being in Phoenix but basically abusing any attempts to work together, and trying to take without giving in return.


Please excuse me for reminding you but, in retrospect, you're forgetting a bit of your own brand of venom against your friend the head of Amiga's Support division..  If you're going to mention Amiga's "abuse" you should also mention your own, just to be 100% accurate.  It wasn't exactly a one-sided fallout..  I'm sure you remember me arguing with you to tone down the names and comments you were using against him in quite a public IRC channel.

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I give Ray Akey some credit for actually trying to go against the grain and keeping a foot in with some QNX interests; unfortunately that was not enough by a long shot.


While I do thank you for the compliment, I cannot in good faith take credit.

I was working on QNX "Augusta" RtP applications before I started working for Amiga Inc.  You may or may not also recall tha I claimed the first QSSL/QNX bounty for developing applications for RtP (with my graphical interface "NeuFTP" FTP client).  I was also working towards bounty #2 with NeuIRC, which was released as an alpha, but Amiga (Gary, actually) came along with an offer I couldn't refuse.   What can I say, I needed to eat. :-)

I didn't do anything, officially, within Amiga with respect to QNX. My projects for RtP were personal developments that I left behind when I joined Amiga. However, I did enjoy the QNX Kernel, OS and API and I own a hardware product that uses the QNX OS as it's underlying OS (the Audio Request ARQ server).
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2003, 11:32:25 AM »
@CodeSmith

Moobunny has it's place. If it wasn't there that stuff would spread to the other boards in no time. Paradoxically, while often trawling the depths of distaste, Moobunny also sometimes comes up with the most interesting serious debates.

With Moobunny, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Or you can just ignore it and make do with the bland instead.
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Re: The Jim Collas rumor, truth or rumor? I say rumor.
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2003, 12:08:59 PM »
Might`ve known it`d be a MOS freak who started this thread
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