Amiga OS 5 prediction

[Starrfoxx]

I find the development of the 64bit AROS more exciting and realistic than OS5.

[Zac67]

Definitely - AROS rocks!

[amigadave]

downix wrote:
Hey wait a second.  What if that is exactly what they're doing, taking OS 3.1 (or OS 4.0?) and AmigaOS XL'ing it on top of QNX?  Development time would be ludicrusly short for a new OS.  Performance would be solid enough to be competitive.  *and* it could migrate to other embeddable CPU's rapidly.  They would, actually, have Amiga "Anywhere".

Even though I dislike downix for his condescending remarks to me and others in the past, I totally agree with him on his statement above.  I like QNX and believe Dan Dodge specifically is a stand-up kind of guy who has a great track record and who was genuinely interested in seeing the Amiga OS with a QNX kernel succeed.  It would be great if the next Amiga OS was done by, or with QNX!

That would be a WIN - WIN situation for all involved parties (except perhaps Hyperion and the OS4 people, which I have never bought into anyway)

[downix]

amigadave wrote:
Even though I dislike downix for his condescending remarks to me and others in the past, I totally agree with him on his statement above.  

I could try and argue with you about it, but you're right on the money here.  I'm smug, arrogant and full of myself.  I'll attack you one minute, and defend you the next.  But like me or not, I refuse to let us go quietly into the night.

If this is, infact, AInc's move, then perhaps there is a fighting chance.  Longshot, yes, but a chance.

[Einstein]

JetFireDX wrote:

I always thought that if an Amiga-like OS was going to be based on another kernel and other underlying stuff I would hope it would be like this:

GoboLinux

A really nice sensible way of organizing things.

Indeed it is, I've known about this distro for some time, it's remarkable how most other distro makers just don't get it  :roll:

[billt]

Wasn't there a plan based on QNX back in the GateMiga days?

[ne_one]

@DonnyEMU

They have to make an architectural leap at sometime. Seems like it's time to me..

Whether it's QNX or a flavour of Unix I would also claim that it's the best strategy. It wouldn't be popular with the diehards, but it would offer the shortest time to market and the best ROI.

I see QNX as technically compelling but more of a long shot because it has traditionally been directed towards a specialized market. It also has limited mainstream application support.

A customized Unix variant would bring with it a solid application base and army of developers but it doesn't fit the scalability mandate.

[ne_one]

@billt

Wasn't there a plan based on QNX back in the GateMiga days?

To some extent. It was Jim Collas who outlined a game plan based on a Linux core.

[downix]

ne_one wrote:
@DonnyEMU

I see QNX as technically compelling but more of a long shot because it has traditionally been directed towards a specialized market. It also has limited mainstream application support.

Ironically that is something the AmigaOS riding on top of it would bring.  While not huge support, it does bring enough which, when combined with what QNX already has, does make a viable, even if limited, platform.

[amigadave]

@downix,

Keep it up, this is the direction Amiga should be going, and now that QNX is open source, I don't see why the Amiga community couldn't push this idea forward, with, or without Amiga Inc.

There is no law that says the community can't create an Amiga compatible new OS based on the open source QNX kernel, is there?

[downix]

amigadave wrote:
@downix,

Keep it up, this is the direction Amiga should be going, and now that QNX is open source, I don't see why the Amiga community couldn't push this idea forward, with, or without Amiga Inc.

There is no law that says the community can't create an Amiga compatible new OS based on the open source QNX kernel, is there?

Quite right, now we just need open source hardware to run it on....

[BooBoo1200]

Now that Amigas will not have any custom chip the Os is the only thing that remains Amiga and a Os based around the source code of Workbench - Os 4 -I would argue that is Amiga But an Os based around QNX,Linux or any other Os this is not Amiga
A simple Loop Hole to call a Linux Distro Amiga Because they own the Amiga name a real insult to the Amiga name.

[Starrfoxx]

BooBoo1200 wrote:
Now that Amigas will not have any custom chip the Os is the only thing that remains Amiga and a Os based around the source code of Workbench - Os 4 -I would argue that is Amiga But an Os based around QNX,Linux or any other Os this is not Amiga
A simple Loop Hole to call a Linux Distro Amiga Because they own the Amiga name a real insult to the Amiga name.

Good point.

[Bamiga2002]

The Amiga is not all about the OS, it's very much the hardware too that makes Amiga.

My suggestion:
enhance/change the old custom chips to newer/faster/better ones, but preserve compatibility with classic-side (68k) games/apps/utils. Better soundchip, graphic chip (NO interlace), PCI-E place for new graphics cards, sata hd controller + add many of newer things (usb,bluetooth etc.). You get the picture. The "old" is still there coupled with loads of recent hardware features!. And possibly stacked in a nostalgic desktop-keyboard case like A1200 or maybe even A4000 .

Now THAT I'd buy for a dollar ! :banana:

[SamuraiCrow]

Bamiga2002 wrote:

enhance/change the old custom chips to newer/faster/better ones, but preserve compatibility with classic-side (68k) games/apps/utils. Better soundchip, graphic chip (NO interlace), PCI-E place for new graphics cards, sata hd controller + add many of newer things (usb,bluetooth etc.). You get the picture. The "old" is still there coupled with loads of recent hardware features!. And possibly stacked in a nostalgic desktop-keyboard case like A1200 or maybe even A4000 .

The Clone A project is already an ECS replacement made from modern technology.  Being able to genlock a modern graphics and sound chipset through Clone A would probably deliver what you are looking for.

Since the SAM440ep from ACube includes an FPGA chip on board, then perhaps they may be able to deliver results in time.

[amigadave]

@BooBoo1200 and Bamiga2002,

I must disagree.  What you are describing will be no different than what I and downix are suggesting.

Amiga Inc., or the Amiga Community via Open Source, or a combination of both should build a brand new AmigaOS on top of QNX.  QNX provides the glue to access at low level the graphics and sound card chips, the sata hd controller, usb, bluetooth, etc. Amiga Inc., and/or Amiga Community provide the look & feel, and compatibility to legacy Amiga programs, while making improvements to the overall OS functions where ever possible as well.  Like mentioned before, QNX already runs on so many different CPUs and it can scale from cell phone size devices, all the way up to network servers and beyond.

I can't for the life of me see an advantage for Amiga Inc., or the community to start from scratch in building a new OS.  Using QNX as a base starting point will speed development time by years, not just months of work.