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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #29 from previous page: September 27, 2007, 05:26:50 PM »
First a correction, I sould've replaced "it" with "the desease" for better clarification.

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Are you saying metalmen should be forced to carry ID's???


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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2007, 05:58:10 PM »
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I should've replaced "it" with "the desease" for better clarification.
that just makes it funnier. and it was funny to begin with   :lol:
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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2007, 01:24:02 PM »
noone believes for a second that metalman is representative of americans right?

Oh yeah?!?
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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2007, 01:36:58 PM »
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noone believes for a second that metalman is representative of americans right?

There are so much Dutch people I do not want to be representative for the Netherlands... :lol:
Yet they are there and numerous.
Still, not representative for the avarage Dutchman.
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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2007, 01:46:33 PM »
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out of curiosity Speelgoedmannetje why wouldnt you want to carry id. i see no benefit to not having id and lots of drawbacks. people here in the states carry id for proof of license to drive, proof of age to buy alcohol and smokes, and for id in certain finacial transactions.


Ehm, I already stated a couple of arguments:

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In short: I side with moto. It doesn't solve anything; it makes the society only a little more safe, but there really is no harm in carrying it with you. Chances are you'll be happy to have it with you in case you do need it all of a sudden.
Hmyes, but the problem I have with it is that I am guilty when I do not, instead of only being guilty when I do (something bad that is).
So to say, it's kinda a reverse law enforcement; guilty until proven otherwise. You do not have a passport, ergo you are guilty.

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Either way, I have no qualms with presenting a form of ID when asked politely by a law enforcement officer in circumstances which are indeed tense or unusual---uproar, demonstration, murder investigation in the house next to me, and so forth.

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Ahyes, that petty excuse the minister used to get it through.
They use it atm mainly for getting more money from ppl who do not have light on their bicycles and things like that. I'm all for fining bicyclers without light, for making traffic really unsafe. But, a fine of 50 euros, plus a fine of 2250 euros, makes it just absurd.



Besides this, I am also against the fact that kids (14+) are obliged to carry it with them.
Well, I have lost my wallet countless of times when I was a kid. Mustn't think of an expensive id card being in it (also considering the fact it's a lot of fuss to register a lost ID card).
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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2007, 01:38:29 AM »
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noone believes for a second that metalman is representative of americans right?



No, he's representetive of the intersection of some of the worst stereotypes people have of americans. However, I don't think this is really representitive him. Rather I think he finds it a useful online persona to adopt when attempting to bait people into responding. At the end of the day, the guy likes getting a reaction out of people. Picking all the worst examples he can find of 'muslims behaving badly' and trying to persuade us all that this is in fact the norm is an easy way to do that at the moment. I used to find it irksome at first, but now I couldn't really care a less. I usually get a good laugh out of it these days :-D

I'm sure that when the preferred media bogeyman that is currently extremist muslims has moved to a different demographic, his focus will follow.

At least he seems more intelligent that some of the other trolls we've had the pleasure of being entertained by.

Absolutely no match for Mips Proc, though. They broke the mould with that feller :lol:
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Re: Should Muslims be forced to carry special ID?
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2007, 06:26:28 AM »
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 At the end of the day, the guy likes getting a reaction out of people. Picking all the worst examples he can find of 'muslims behaving badly' and trying to persuade us all that this is in fact the norm is an easy way to do that at the moment. I used to find it irksome at first, but now I couldn't really care a less. I usually get a good laugh out of it these days :-D


My opinions are not those of all Americans, but they should be.

Well, I have to admit, due to Karlos' evil influence, I now have curry at a local Thai restaurant every few weeks. :lol:

Actually, I prefer reasoned debate with those of differing opinions, and Karlos' replies are usually articulate and coherent  ;-)  

Although pissing contests and name calling can be very amusing.   :-D

There are too many acts of terrorism committed by Muslims who justify their actions by referencing a militant Islamic ideology, to equate these murdering extremists to an irrational bogeyman fear.

These Jihadists have a global hostility to all secular and democratic governments, and in particular the U.S. They want to recreate the Islam of the 7th century, which they regard as a golden age. Their ultimate goal is to bring about a global caliphate, their means is jihad. My focus will change when Jihadists quit planning mass murder.
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