Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Excuse me, Who said I voted CDA?
Noone. I merely explained 'Democracy 101' to you.
And if you must be happy because you have some degree of democracy, you can enforce everything on us. That's a terribly lousy argument, which I am not used of you.
It's called 'Democracy 101'. The majority decides what will happen; the people get to decide who is the majority---or, more precisely, gets to decide who is most likely going to be in the majority. That is simply a realistic argument, and nothing you do or say will change that---therefore you had best get used to it. You cannot pick and mix when you require a majority and when a minority to pass a law through parliament; and most especially cannot rely
only on Speel's judgement. Nor on mine, for that matter. It would be cool, of course, and I'd like to pretend I would be a Wise Beneficial Dictator For Life, but it's not a good idea. In a democracy, you've got to take the good with the bad; frankly, I'm surprised
you didn't pick this up.
Does that mean you have to agree with a decision made by the majority? No, of course not. That's why there is something known as 'opposition'. In the Netherlands, it's usually not very effective, and only accomplishes something when there is dissent amongst the parties making up the majority. In case of the ID law, it obviously wasn't enough. Unfortunately for the opposition, a majority decision is binding.
And really, I expected also a counterargument of my previous post from you.
There's not much to counter, is there? Of course there will be a lot of fines; it's called 'upholding the law'. You can be very principal in the matter and decide to leave your ID at home, but you had better be prepared to put your money where your mouth is in case you are caught. It won't do you much good to argue that you don't believe in the law in that case: that's also a lesson you should have picked up from Democracy 101.
There's tons of laws I don't agree with---some with far more important and invasive consequences than this silly ID-thing. Hence my saying: don't like the law? Then don't vote for the parties who instated it, and organise a lobby to get it changed. Run a grassroots campaign instigating 'burgerongehoorzaamheid' to swamp the legislative branch with silly cases so that the politicians have no choice but to alter the law. And so forth. And I expect
you to provide me with a good reason why we haven't seen such things yet if ID law was indeed such a barbaric practise as many little clubs and societies wanted us to believe it was.
By the way, I found out that a driver's license counts for proper ID too; only in some cases is a passport required. Well, I always carry my DL with me in my wallet, whether or not I am required to do so by ID law. I want to drive a car whenever I can, and for that I need a license.
